How would you like roof framing this one?
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I've got a hard-on for roofs like that. Depending on the pitches, it could be a nightmare or a breeze. If the pitches and plate-heights are all across the board, it has the making of a nightmare. If someone with some semblance of roof framing knowledge designed it.... it could be a real honey.
Actually they are not one level back procection is raised 12", Front one is raised 42" both to allow for transom widows, There is another lower porch roof in the fron, but that layer didn't get turned on.
It will be stick framed. attached pix is rendering of the front.
I figure 3 days framing the roof by my self.
I would look into getting rid of the dead valleys in the front of the house.
I'm only half as dumb as I look.
Am I the only one who noticed the topless girl drawn into the bottom left corner of the front elevation rendering??
What the heck is she doing down there?
Nevermind, I must have missed some posts some how.
Edited 8/29/2006 4:10 pm ET by EJCinc
That was some of the new foundation wrap wadded up on the corner in order to better view the front of the drawing.
be subliminal
Notice?! I'm still watching her rub herself on the corner of the house. Gawd, I need a life....
I was the first (reply # 23) You gota be quicker than that.;-)
That one can, and should, be trussed. No problemo.
Not that much of a head scratcher. Trusses would make it fast.
be heck of a tagline...
I stick framed one like that a couple of years ago. What catches my eye is that gathering of eaves at the front....a real nightmare for getting rain off the roof....
That doesn't look bad at all. It's cut up, but nothing too difficult. Here's my next and my last, I cut all the rafters. Sorry for the file size, i'll try to edit and fix later. I really like the 3D image though. Most of the architects that design the plans I frame do it by hand, so there is a lot of feild adjustment involved. I'm punching all kinds of numbers in the calculator trying to figure out what a 5+/- pitch actually is ant making sure the fascias match.
I do roofs like this in AUTOCAD 3-D and take a laptop to the job and cut from the model.
That one you are doing takes real framing skills.
I do roofs like this in AUTOCAD 3-D and take a laptop to the job and cut from the model.
Attaboy, Jimmco! I like that approach. I need to get a laptop, as my coworkers are sick of me coming to the jobs each day with my pockets full of printed 8.5x11 sheets of details and dimensions. They blow away in the wind, I keep having to shuffle pages to get to the right one, the coffee spills all over them, etc.
This one deserves a photo essay, with jobsite pics and screencaps in .jpg, to post here on the Gallery. Call it, "Digital framing square" or something like that.
Who is the architect on that job?-Fortitude-
the architect on those two houses is Gary Keith Jackson. Very good work IMO, time and material consumining but the end result is great.
Thanks Kirk , liitle surprised that the plan says builder to speck beams but im sure the builder is glad your there!
good luck-Fortitude-
Why was that woman buried next to the foundation?
Age old practice to ensure peace and harmony in the home. pagan practice going back thousands of years
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Oh. Can you still hear her talking through the walls?
She suggested trusses...be heck of a tagline...
I used SKETCHUP to hang the photo images on th AUTOCAD model. That person comes with SKETCHUP & you have to turn it off. It's not a she. It's some programer's idea of waht framing crews looked like in the 70's
All I noticed was a the valleys running into the valleys. Not a good sign. Too many ways for problems to present themselves.Unless I was to set the trusses, sheet the roof and lay the shingles, I wouldn't want anything to do with it.JustMyOpinion
You made me look again, and you should, too. That wall height for the front hipped dormer is way up from all the others, and I saw no valleys terminating into others.
I'm gonna slam down the lid on all this speculation, right now! ;-)
Google built a life-sized to-scale person into the model file when you open one as NEW. Most all of us SU users just select her and do a DELETE before proceeding.
Here she is. Topless? I don't think so. Just looks like someone who just bought a pair of shoes.
View Image
no breasts.
It's just a hippee.
unless seeyou invented transvestites too
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You ouggta try to cover it in copper..now THAT is a lot of cutting.
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That's probably only an average rof for me - Not something I'd consider difficult.
Like Notchman, I don't like the dead spots up front. But there's not much you can do about it without making some pretty serious changes.
I'd love it
Jim,
That isn't difficult per se. How is your roof cutting knowledge or your framer? It looks equal pitch to me based on the way the jacks meet at the hips and valleys.
I disagree with the comment "could be and should be trusses" That is a rather general statement that is made without knowledge of the house and what you plan to do inside and really doesn't add to this thread or this forum.
I'm sick of comments like that. Trusses are great, stick framing is great. To each his own. You can stick frame that roof very easily and you can truss it very easily.
Did you have any specific questions about stick framing it? Many times to get us into the stacking, I'll start with easy sections. This gets us into the right mindset and also allows us to get something done.
Here is one we did a few months ago http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/140715187.jpg
http://pic9.picturetrail.com/VOL293/2163851/9645221/144099237.jpg
Nice pictures man. Especially the one from the skytrak.
Good work. I'm only half as dumb as I look.
Sorry to offend you, Tim, with my "could be and should be trussed" remark. Had the OP given more info in post #1, such as that he would figure and cut it all simply as shown, I likely would not have made the remark.
Much like yours, my attitudes are tempered by what is happening around where I live and work, however, and where I am, there is a shortage of framers who can stickframe a job like the one shown, but no shortage of crews that can leave the figuring to the truss designer, and slap up the trussed package.
Mr. Boss Hog, our resident truss guy, says it looks like a yawn, that he sees plenty that look like that coming through his shop.
I'm real anxious for Jimmco, the OP, to show us how he uses AutoCad to detail out the roof, and then set up the laptop on the job to refer to when cutting it all.
Hey, boil most all these roofs down, and with the exception of those having curves, it's all just trigonometry, and a scientific calculator, or even a simpler one with a square root key, can get you through one. Or even the pre-digital-age framing square. I'm more interested in the methods, such as those you employ for gang cutting, and what Jimmco might show with ACad, than the means used to arrive at the details. I am skeptical that he might spend more time doing the AutoCad work than you would spend with a CM Pro.
Gene,
I made that comment because the trend I see on these boards and others is that people (you, me and others) jump in with comments that don't have that much to do with the OP.
Plus, some of us have a definite bias and if we always state things with that bias, people will start to tune us out. I appreciate your apology and I probably sounded harsh. So if I did, I apologize to you.
This topic could be a really good one because if guys like Richard Birch and Joe Carola and Huck chime in with their approach to this roof, we all gain.
I have a great deal of respect for you and what you try and do as a builder, so please don't take my comments as anything other than observations. They aren't personal.
not harsh - just passionate and right. Thanks for stating it so well.
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Tim I think Gene was right the first time.
Stick framing uses more high grade lumber. I don't understand why we shouldn't be conserving as much as possible, whenever possible.
I don't know if this is the right thread for Gene to raise the issue, but his statement was and is correct.
blue
So what? This isn't the right thread for this discussion and since none of us have the numbers, it's a pointless debate.
I do know this though. According to the APA we will NOT run out of wood. Lumber is an old tired argument.
"According to the APA we will NOT run out of wood. "
I've heard that growth exceeds cutting everywhere except in the south.
When the environmentalists shut off a lot of the logging in the northwest a few years back, it didn't reduce lumber usage - It just meant that they pulled more lumber out of other areas.
There was a big debate about this on BT a while back. I think Riverman (?) disagreed, but don't remember the details.
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"Stick framing uses more high grade lumber. I don't understand why we shouldn't be conserving as much as possible, whenever possible."Blue,Are you really saying that a simple roof like that to frame should be framed with trusses and not stick framed because stick framing uses to much lummber?Joe Carola
A flat roof would save even more lumber.
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A flat roof might not meet the design standards that the buying public wants. It also might not meet the longevity standard that the buying public wants.
blue
I have no problem putting a forty year surface on a flat roof. Not many shingles do that on a pitched roof.
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>>>>>>A flat roof might not meet the design standards that the buying public wants. It also might not meet the longevity standard that the buying public wants.Yeah, I knew that already. I hate flat roofs. But, some of the buying public insist on them. Could you have a talk with them, please?.On a hijack note since I have your attention: What's your take on the Ben Wallace trade?
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"Are you really saying that a simple roof like that to frame should be framed with trusses and not stick framed because stick framing uses to much lummber?"
It is true (in general) that trusses use less lumber than stick framing. Whether that's a legitimate reason to consider is obviously subjective.
I am not crazy. I have been in a very bad mood for 30 years.
Are you really saying that a simple roof like that to frame should be framed with trusses and not stick framed because stick framing uses to much lummber?
I don't know if I'm exactly saying that but here is what I'm saying: I have always been a conservationist and I believe that we should be good stewards of the Earth. I believe that it is our duty to be as efficient as possible with our resources whenever it is feasible.
As for the truss vs stick frame debate: I believe that every builder should make every effort to conserve as much building materials as possible while still maintaining the level of quality that the buying public deserves.
Structurally, I believe that trusses are a better product, uses less lumber to produce the same or better quality of roof. I believe that they offer more flexibility in design options and they are also labor savers.
Does that mean no one should stick frame? No. In some cases stick framing makes more sense. If the situation warrants stick framing, then stick frame. If the situation makes more sense to truss, then we should truss.
It's really not that complicated.
blue
It's way more fun if we make it really complicated though. View Image
Pretty easy roof to stick frame. ad a kick out on the tails and make it a 12/12 and maybe there would be something to it then.
looks like a peice of cake.the hardest one I've done had 29 hips and valleys 3 different pitches and 3 different plate heights.all this on a 2700 sq. ft. house, can everyone say "cut up"