I have a Dewalt model 257 drywall/decking screwgun. The high torqqe and lower speed works great for driving deck screws. The only problem I have is that the tip keeps coming out( sticking in the screw) when I use square drive screws. I have tried new tips and same problem. Could it be that the tips are too new or are all the tips I’ve used are faulty.? I can only drive one or two screws before the tip pops out. Has anyone had a similiar problem with square drive?
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Hi dolson,
I have a PC model 872, I occasionally use a square drive bit with it. I've never had a problem like you've been experiencing. I just chuck it and spend all day driving square drive screws. I don't have any experience with DeWalts drill/drivers, but maybe it could be related to the chuck.
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Edited 7/10/2004 9:47 pm ET by f4phanatic
Edited 7/10/2004 9:49 pm ET by f4phanatic
Have you tried them in a different holder?
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
My Dewalt 257 has the same problem. Maybe it's a design problem. For now I am careful to tilt the drill slightly to release the driver from the screw head before I pull back the drill. If I pull straight back without tilting the bit usually slips out and stays engaged on the screw. Perhaps it would help to try a small piece of tape on the base of the driver bit.
Billy
Get a real holder with the O ring and compression cap ring...
End of BS....
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Where can I get this type of holder? i wasn't aware that there was better holders for the tips. This is brand new screwgun , I can't beleive that Dewalt ships these guns with such crappy holders.
I have one mag bit holder than constantly slips the bit just like you describe. And I have another holder than I physically cannot get the bit out of ... been stuck for more than 2 yrs ... held one end in a vise, other end with vise grips, etc ... stuck like glue.
Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!" Then get busy and find out how to do it. T. Roosevelt
More DW bean counter gotta save .000000000000001 cents on something.... Those type holders drive me nuts... WTB yur holder was made in some far distant land....
They are every contractor / tool supply house around here... There are 2 types. One with an oversized knurled nut and another one that is flush to the shank for those guns with nose bearings....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
IMERC,
I glazed over your message before posting. Do you have the DW257? Will the holders you describe fit in the collar? If so I'm indebted to you.
Jon Blakemore
http://store.yahoo.com/squaredrive/index.html
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
It sounds like you have some sort of magnetic retention system and are using those short bits [5/8"].
If you use a positive system such as "Quick-Loc", you won't have this problem. These are about 1 5/8" long, hex shank and have a grove cut in about 1/4" from the end. You slide a collar back or forth to release the bit which is held mechanically perhaps with ball bearings.
Not camming out is a good thing.
~Peter
Dolson,
I have the exact same model and the exact same problem. In fact, when I saw the thread title I knew (at least I thought I knew) exactly what problem you were talking about.
Unfortunately, I have found no solution. Any bit holder that locks on to the bit is too wide to fit inside the depth collar, so I think we're out of luck. The only thing that has kept me from throwing the tool away is buying 3" bits to use without the bit holder. These are a pain to find and are more expensive, but you do what you gotta'.
Be sure to come back and post if you find a real solution.
Jon Blakemore
have you tried to deform the shank of the bit? sometimes a whack with a centerpunch or coldchisel will create enough of a divot to make it stay put.
the goal is to expand a face of the hex to jam in the holder.
another option is to bump it with a mig welder, an itty bitty gob on one flat will do. do a whole slew of bits at once.
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Here's what it looks like and as you can see it's associated with quality tools...
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Edited 7/11/2004 6:28 pm ET by IMERC
yo buddy, I posted a link to Mcfeely's ( sorry DP) for that, but no good in a screw gub..ya dont have the depth stop nose cone..know whatta I mean?...
I still say, deform the bit a bit..BTDT
do it al the time with the torx bits, they wont hold a screw for shid
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Now looky here bud....
See the lock nut on that magnetic bit holder???? Well under that is an O ring... Now step back if yur arms are too short and look at a bit.. See that little notch in it??? That's where the O ring compresses into... Put up right and the damn thing IS NOT COMING OUT OF THERE... PERIOD!!!
And I have that holder in the drywall gun and my TEK driver and the other 2 cordless drills and the impact driver...
My collection of bits cover any and all known cornfigurations... I got it covered in 1/4 and 5/16" shank too... flex and 7/16 thru 12" long... you got the problem I got the answer...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
no, I aint sayin that is the problem..I got the same Oring deal too..I actually hate it,it holds too good.
what I am sayin is MY screw gub ( a hitachi) won't handle THAT bit holder AND use the nose cone, I also have an old SKILL same story..
edit : it may fit the skill..never tried it
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Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
Edited 7/11/2004 8:32 pm ET by SPHERE
Why not...
Those lock nuts come over sized or flush to shank...
get the right stuff... A real screw gun and a holder made for tool...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
for one reason I HATE SHEET ROCKIN..
there.
I use a few nails at first, then a simple dimpler, or ride bareback with just a good ol 3'' mag holder and tip..and a light trigger
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Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
Give it up I ain't surrending on this one...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
I have the same DW gun and I am pretty sure that the owners manual says not to use square drive.... they cant camout. one thing you could try though is to file the bit a tad smaller and see if that helps. I have noticed using galvanized screws with square heads this seems to happen alot. I think the screws are galvanized last which makes the inside of the recess a little small.
hey, we have a winner!
thanks for posting the most obvious answer that no one else mentioned!
I was waitin..sq. drives are good BECAUSE they stay stuck so well..add a coating and..there goes the neighborhood..
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My DW 257 has the same problem using Philips screws, so switching from square drive won't cure the problem. It really slows you down when that bit pulls out. P.O.S. product.
Billy
OK..try superglue?
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I own a Bosch jigsaw and its the best tool that I own hands down. This Dewalt screwgun I bouught is my first Dewalt and may be my last.
Most excellent thinking...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
Hey I dont have to put electric tape around my batteries to keep them in my drills! I knew those Bosch tools were sh!t!
Guess again Hoyo...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
I dont know what a hoyo is! but there is tape around that battery.
Cuban slang chicken forincator...
That is an insulator from an electrical device.. or a gorilla HD rubber band...
The weak link of a cordless tool is it's battery. Drop the tool from any degree of height and if it lands battery first the battery holding clips could become toast..
A little preventive medicine... Works like a champ... On any brand....
Ensures solid electrical contact too....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
OK, I'll give you that one, maybe the Bosch aint all bad then.
ROAR!!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
You a DeFault kinda guy????
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
You keep talking like that to me and I'll never talk to you again!
Talk like what??? Was I outta line??? Not me... I'm sure....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
You a DeFault kinda guy????
That kind of talk!
Oh... That kinda talk......
Wonder how that got there any ways...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
Ha! When I saw that Bosch drill pic with the tape around the battery I was going to bet 3 milkbones that IMERC was up on a ladder and the drill fell!
Had an old 12volt Bosch once that fell and when it hit the floor the battery went flying, but the drill never hit the floor.
It went into a floorboard like a dart in a dartboard and was suspended there by the drill bit in the wood. Got to thinking what if that was my foot.
The battery casing cracked. Superglue and then taped the battery into the gun. Still worked and didn't wreck the nose.
Bosch drills win my vote. Tough. Steel gears inside instead of nylon. Great factory support. Sent in an older model drill I had purchased factory refurbished online once for repair and they went and bloomin' sent me a new model drill for replacement at no charge.
Thanks IMERC, I'd been trying to find something wrong with the Bosch drills. I knew no one could be that good without something wrong somewhere.
The battery won't always stay in the drill when you drop it off ladders.
"sobriety is the root cause of dementia.", rez,2004
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That drill went 2.5 stories to the CC and stayed together... I've been doing that HD rubber bad thing forever... Right after I toasted a 9.6v Bosch with a fall... At that time 12V's weren't out yet....
BTW.. That battery on that cordless isn't cracked or broken... I think that rubber band gives it an edge on survivablity...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
Back to insert bits falling out -----
Anybody heard of the "jackrabbit" -- a round magnet (about the size of quarter), that fits over a standard driver bit. I use bits that are 1 1/2", and this magnet gismo holds even 3" screws firmly in place.
Won't work with DW guns, but great for cordless drills and impact drivers. No more insert bits getting stuck in the screw.