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   IMERC | Jan 31, 2008 07:39am | #1

    Would TSP be a better cleaner?

   yup...

   rinse well....

    

   What primer should I use over painted plaster in order for the skim coat to adhere?

   Kiltz...

   I have been told that 'Gripper' (Home Depot)

   by the Home Desperate asile monkies no less.....

   works well but it's only available in 1 gallon cans as far as I can see, what is as good but available in 5 gallon buckets (and not overly expensive)?

   Kiltz....

    

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!! What a Ride!
   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   timc | Jan 31, 2008 09:05am | #3

   Thought you'd say that but it's a sucky job, guess I'll delegate that part.
   My drywall guy (who happens to be the most meticulous drywall sub I've come across) suggested Gripper (although I feel the same way about Home Crapot as you do) and try to avoid the place.
   Where can I get the Klitz stuff?

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   IMERC | Jan 31, 2008 09:07am | #4

   any place that sells paint...

     

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   timc | Jan 31, 2008 09:19am | #5

   Even Toys R Us!

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   IMERC | Jan 31, 2008 09:23am | #6

   you could try I suppose... 

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   timc | Jan 31, 2008 09:37am | #7

   Thanks, I think I'll pick me up some tommorrow

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   IMERC | Jan 31, 2008 09:41am | #8

   let us know if you find some at toy r us....

   ROAR!!!! 

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   MikeHennessy | Jan 31, 2008 03:29pm | #9

   "let us know if you find some at toy r us...."

   They have it, but they only carry the lead-based formula. ;-)

   Mike HennessyPittsburgh, PA

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   BillHartmann | Jan 31, 2008 06:13pm | #12

   You need to go to Scotland to get Kiltz and I am not sure if the plaid would go with your paint scheme.Kilz you can get at ANY places that sells paint in larger than 3 oz containers..
   .
   A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

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   rasconc | Feb 01, 2008 03:42am | #15

   Kiltz or Kilz?  Never heard of the former.  And Kilz does come in a water base I believe.  I think I would TSP and rinse then PVA drywall primer.  Surprised no one has brought up the D word.  D-mix

   Bob

   Edited 1/31/2008 7:45 pm ET by rasconc

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   IMERC | Feb 01, 2008 05:28am | #18

   good deal.. 

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   Waters | Jan 31, 2008 07:41am | #2

   I would use TSP first.  Then if you have smooth, or shiny painted walls, go over it all quickly with 80 grit paper on a pole sander (drywall tool) which will give the surface 'tooth.'  Not a totally necessary step but easy and quick insurance.

   Then you'll want to use a bonding agent.  I think HD has one.  It's a surface bonder used for masonry applications.  I usually find one called, "Deck-o-weld," which, by all appearances is white glue.  Comes in gallon container, but it's meant to be thinned out.  Roll it on the wall and apply your skim coat while it's still tacky.

   There have been quite a few threads on this.  Try searchin'.

   Also, after you've cleaned and 'gritted' the wall remove any loose plaster, of course, but then also scratch out a 'v' in any cracks.  A sharpened old 'church key' type can opener--like you used to use for cans of motor oil that had steel tops--is great for this.  Then mesh tape over all cracks and fill with joint compound (or skim plaster.)

   In my area, and my own house, most of the old plaster walls were finished rough with a sponge or brush.  There's a sand finish method with a drywall hopper gun that can duplicate that rough sandy surface really well if you're interested.

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   barmil | Feb 01, 2008 05:17am | #16

   Congratulations for not writing masonary.

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   MarkH | Feb 01, 2008 05:28am | #17

   I know a dutch mason named Arie.  He does masonarie.

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   Waters | Feb 01, 2008 06:01am | #19

   Or Nuke-U-lar?

   1993 BS in Secondary English Ed--UW Madison.

   Using that a lot these days...

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   BryanSayer | Jan 31, 2008 05:08pm | #10

   There are bonding agents you add when mixing the plaster. You are using plaster (from lime) right, and not drywall mud based on gypsum? Acryl-60 is the one we get around here, but I'm sure others exist also.

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   FNbenthayer | Jan 31, 2008 05:13pm | #11

   Plaster Weld + FG mesh the whole deal.

    

    

    

    

   The awful thing is that beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.
   - Fyodor Dostoyevski

5. 
   Virginbuild | Jan 31, 2008 09:14pm | #13

   I picked up Kiltz premium primer 40 gals at Home Depot in 5 gal pails. Also Wall-Mart had some but less and would order if I wanted more in 5 gal pails. The stuff really applies well with a Graco Magnum airless sprayer.

   Virginbuild

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   alwaysoverbudget | Feb 01, 2008 03:30am | #14

   40 gals of kilz through a airless,was you bumping your head on the ceiling before you got done?

   take a trip and never leave the farm..........................larryif a man speaks in the forest,and there's not a woman to hear him,is he still wrong?

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   Virginbuild | Feb 01, 2008 07:38pm | #21

   First off it is KILZ and is produced by Masterchem Industries, my fingers don't work the key board so well any more. It is water based and has a fungicide for mildew-resistance.

   The stuff will make you fly higher than the ceiling if you don't use at minimum an air purifying respirator with organic cartridges. Follow MSDS guidelines as with all the paints and chemicals that we use every day in our work or at home.

   I think it is one of the best primers out there for certain purposes. Check their web site, they have eight different primers.

   Virginbuild

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   BillHartmann | Feb 02, 2008 11:12pm | #22

   Why the bonding agent for MUD on plaster, apinted or not, not fresh plaster over old or other anything else.I have not skimmed any plaster, but done some repairs on cracks and dings in prepairing for painting.Just treated it like DW cracks and dings and not had any problems..
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   A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

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   Ted W. | Feb 01, 2008 03:05pm | #20

   I  use Kilz Premium accrylic. It's water based and works great.

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