Walter, when you see this, I’d appreciate your comments. Buckingham slate on a 12:12 roof. Does the sidewall flashing look right? Also, they seem to have broken a large number of slates during installation, and in one picture you can see a copper hook holding the replacement in place. Does that look right?
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"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
All that wood - not backprimed???
Looks like a copper baby repair ... slate looks nice (Vermont gray?)
"The new step flashing"??? Yuck - one open side and ugly reglet. What's going on at the low edge on pic .123???
Jeff
Edited 8/28/2008 8:25 am ET by Jeff_Clarke
Jeff, the slate is Buckingham from a quarry about an hour west of Richmond VA."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Sorry ... missed that. That's about the best slate there is!
Jeff
The side wall flashing is fine except for one thing and it's a cosmetic issue. Who ever made the thru flashing bent a receiver slot (for lack of a better term) similar to a pittsburg lock into the pieces. Nice touch. However, the flag installer put his flags behind the lock rather than inserting the flag into it so only the hemmed edge shows. Won't leak but, doesn't look as good as it could.
The copper strip method is a poor way to hold replacement slate. The prefered method is to nail thru the replacement between the two slates in the course above and slide a piece of copper under the slates over the nail. Gravity will likely pull that slate out eventually and it looks bad.
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Grant,
Who's the guy in the subway car? He going on the Crazy Legs bus too??
Walter
He going on the Crazy Legs bus too??
I hope not.
So you gonna get on the bus?View Image
I'm a fairly brave man , but I'm not sure I'm up for that trip !!!
Just look at it as a once in a lifetime oportunity.View Image
Are you talking about pic 118 where I can see a double line in the wall flashing? Were the flags supposed to go in that groove? I'm having trouble following you."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
I hope not to speak outta line or for Grant, but yes, the thru flashing is also the counter flashing, it has a relief for the reglets to be inserted into.
They tucked the reglets behind the counters and it will still work, it just is not executed as designed.
Actually, it was a speed issue, if the reglets were shop fabbed and sent out, they may have needed trimming to fit the verticle dimension to the roof line, and being lazy or not knowing, thet went and went behind the groove, which does look queer, but should still perform as well.
Edit for my lt keypad screwing up. geeze, wheres my letters?
BTW..do I still owe you $? The DW has lost her check record and I see a single payment in mine? Got a balance due?
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Edited 8/28/2008 9:49 am ET by Sphere
You're account is up to date."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
LOL..My account..Lol..as in on account I can't afford to pay attention?
I need an accountant, the DW is falling down on the job, and IRS is WHACKING me hard, no kidding, I'm about bankrupt.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
They kill Prophets, for Profits.
FastEddie,
First thing that jumps out at me in the 2nd pic is that they have laid these with 1/4 to 3/8 " spaces between the slates, which is not correct in my book. I like laying them tight to each other ,just as it has always been done. That helps hold each one in alignment better , neighbor supporting neighbor , not to mention aesthetics. Doesn't look like they tried hard to work them to get good laying action -- flat to the one below , but Buckingham isn't great slate either.
The copper tab method of securing a patched slate went out years ago when slate hooks were first made. That should be changed out-- it won't last as it is.
The thru flashing should have stopped 3" up from the roof plane so that the steps could fit in under it. I also would have had some underlayment extending up the wall at least as high as the steps.
All in all a less than perfect job , but I'd be concerned about breakage and subsequent slate loss after going thru one Winter.
Walter
Sorry to tell you Walter, but this time you're wrong. The spacing of the slates is 3/8 to 1/2".
I commented on that more than once, to the contractor and the architect, and was told that is normal. looks like sh!t, doesn't it.
I found a page in "The slate roof bible" that clearly said the flat tab is not acceptable for patches, ansd I sent it to the contractor. It even had a very clear sketch of exactly what my guy installed."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Eddie,
It's not normal when you know what you're doing .
Don't take everything as Gospel from Jenkins book.
Don't let them use any repair technique other than copper slate hooks.
Good luck.
Walter
Don't take everything as Gospel from Jenkins book.
But, but, but........ it's the slate "bible", you heretic. Off with your head.View Image
it's the slate "bible", you heretic. Off with your head.
Yeah, and I have to have something to use as a point of reference. I can show the details from that book, then tell the gc to find something to support his method."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
As you know , there is no support for his method.
there is no support for his method.
This time I'm sure you're exactly right. "Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Eddie,
Keep us posted please as to how it shakes out.
Thanks, Walter
I prefer drawn and quartered , thank you !