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Mad Dog,
I notice that you make a lot of negative comments on this website. Why don’t you look for the positive instead of the negative? It might make you a better person.
“my observation of how either you or the owner seems to care more about squeeks in this (old) house than about how the floor looks (vinyl tile).”
Let me start off by saying that if you are more concerned with how the floor looks(vinyl tile) than with how it functions(squeaks) you need to take some time off.
Personally, I don’t like vinyl tile, either. However, I DIDN’T PUT IT DOWN, I PUT DOWN THE SUBFLOOR (and replaced beams, repointed brick walls)! You probably read that too but chose to ignore it so you could complain some more.
I believe in good craftmanship as a way to create lasting, efficient homes for people who can’t always afford the best materials available. Yes, they’re putting down vinyl tile in their house, but at least I know one more abandoned house is re-occupied, that the surrounding community is improved and that if they want a nice floor they can go into any of the other 6 rooms in the house that have fine wood floors, plaster walls, and twelve-foot ceilings.
The “carpentry techniques” post is pathetic. Its laughable how much activity a discussion of how to properly cut corners when building a stud-wall gets so much response (78 posts!) on “fine homebuilding.” Why are so many people concentrating on speeding up building when there are probably hundreds of thousands of abandoned homes in cities across this country? I won’t even get into the egotistical banter that seems to be the real reason for that thread.
I like good style, I like making nice houses, floors, etc. Only, I feel people who can’t afford oak flooring or coriander counter-tops deserve squeakless floors.
Its ridiculous to make a stand on style: that you as a carpenter are too good for vinyl tile. If you think its so terrible give me a better low-cost alternative, but don’t look down your nose at me, because I’m doing important work.
Dave
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I am putting a new sub-floor down in an old brick row-house (early 1900's) in Philadelphia. I had to tear out old 1/2" ply, and three inches of concrete (from original tile job.) After re-inforcing/replacing beams, repointing brick walls, and setting two bond beams, I am now putting down the 3/4" ply (which will eventually get vinyl tile.) I have put down a few floors (5 or 6) like this in my life, always with somebody else running the job.
My question is:
Is there anything wrong with fastening the plywood with screws accompanied by construction adhesive as opposed to 8d ribbed nails and glue?
I'm about two-thirds done, and I haven't detected a squeak yet. I suspect that (typically) nails are used instead of screws because nails go in faster, but I don't really care about that. Are there any long term effects I need to know about or problems with this technique?
I made sure I stood on the wood wherever I was screwing it in (to prevent gaps) and I started in one spot and worked my way out to avoid creating bumps between joists?
Any feedback would be appreciated!
Dave
*You're going to underlay that screwed ply b/4 VT right? Otherwise you'll have to prep that floor to avoid telegraphing of the screws through the tile. Nice job on screw and glue. Should no squeek.
*I wasnt planning on using underlayment..Thankfully I don't have to put the tile down, but I told the owners to use latex leveling compound to fill the idented screwheads and to smooth out the gaps between the sheets of plywood. I have seen people use tile grout mixed with that "latex bonding stuff" (I forget its real name) to smooth out the floor before putting vinyl tile down.is that good enough or am i going to be sorry if I don't use underlayment? what is a good material for that 1/8 ply?
*David,If the floor guy likes it, then I guess it looks good to him. Can't see it from my house. If the flooring company accepts it as a proper substrate, the guarantee of the product is assured. If you were to underlay you might want to consider 1/4 in. as flooring staples will blow through the thin stuff. Any imperfection in the subfloor will often times telegraph through the lino. Good floor guy should know.
*I would definately use an underlayment on that subfloor. Multi-Ply maks a great 1/4in underlayment for vynal installs and you probably wont need any fillers or patching.
*Some feedback you may not appreciate is my observation of how either you or the owner seems to care more about squeeks in this (old) house than about how the floor looks (vinyl tile).That stuff is garbage.
*Mad Dog, I notice that you make a lot of negative comments on this website. Why don't you look for the positive instead of the negative? It might make you a better person."my observation of how either you or the owner seems to care more about squeeks in this (old) house than about how the floor looks (vinyl tile)."Let me start off by saying that if you are more concerned with how the floor looks(vinyl tile) than with how it functions(squeaks) you need to take some time off.Personally, I don't like vinyl tile, either. However, I DIDN'T PUT IT DOWN, I PUT DOWN THE SUBFLOOR (and replaced beams, repointed brick walls)! You probably read that too but chose to ignore it so you could complain some more. I believe in good craftmanship as a way to create lasting, efficient homes for people who can't always afford the best materials available. Yes, they're putting down vinyl tile in their house, but at least I know one more abandoned house is re-occupied, that the surrounding community is improved and that if they want a nice floor they can go into any of the other 6 rooms in the house that have fine wood floors, plaster walls, and twelve-foot ceilings. The "carpentry techniques" post is pathetic. Its laughable how much activity a discussion of how to properly cut corners when building a stud-wall gets so much response (78 posts!) on "fine homebuilding." Why are so many people concentrating on speeding up building when there are probably hundreds of thousands of abandoned homes in cities across this country? I won't even get into the egotistical banter that seems to be the real reason for that thread.I like good style, I like making nice houses, floors, etc. Only, I feel people who can't afford oak flooring or coriander counter-tops deserve squeakless floors.Its ridiculous to make a stand on style: that you as a carpenter are too good for vinyl tile. If you think its so terrible give me a better low-cost alternative, but don't look down your nose at me, because I'm doing important work. Dave
*Dave, I notice you must have not read many posts here at breaktime. If you had, you wouldn't have that opinion of MD. He contributes much and usually there's no way you can interpret it as a slam to anyone. Please don't turn this into another DIY fireworks show. It ain't worth it. Continued good luck.BC