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Sysop,
Whoever is in charge of the re-configuration of the HTML once it is uploaded from the text box, you’re doing a GREAT JOB of screwing it up. You really need to get rid of the <br> after each line break.
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“The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it.”
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Before you take your whining and complaining public why don't you fix up the bad Net Objects Fusion code you have on your own personal site. If your worried about the <b> tag extending your post layouts too much you might take up less page real estate with a better-designed (and more modest) signature logo. It's also not hard to work around the <b> tag when you know your HTML. It also wouldn't hurt you to pick up a book on graphic design, layout, and site architecture. Jakob Nielsen’s; Designing Web Usability : The Practice of Simplicity might be a good place for you to start. In addition to the poorly rendered code your personal site has dead-end navigation trails. Your "I'm still cleaning this place up" animated graphics are more annoying than useful and give your work a juvenile high school design feel. You should also put in some work on the design of your site's home page insterad of relying on the functionality of NetObjects Fusion. The layout is mediocre at best and the spinning JoeFusco.com logo is laughable.
Was your intent in posting your complaint to get some action on the break tag inconvenience ( <b> ) or to show off your supposed knowledge to the other trades people here. I am sure that an e-mail to the sysop would be a lot more effective in getting a quick response if that was your real intent. You are obviously a very smart carpenter and I've found your contributions here very useful in spite of your egotistical arrogance and sometimes rude behavior. Since building and carpentry are no longer a profession for me I enjoy learning from you. However as far as computers and the Internet are concerned you know enough to help out your contracting peers. As for professional Internet consulting you know just get yourself in trouble, you're just a neophyte, not a professional. Stick to what you know or try to tone down the projection of your own ego's self-importance.
*Joe, sure looks like Cliffie takes offense at your message. The little twirp. He may have a good point though, because I don't see the stuff on my pc. Maybe you really do have something setup incorrectly. But you would have thought he could have made his constructive criticism a little more friendly.
*Sysop....you're now on the spit with me and the rest of the barbecued...The flames were on low for you...but they probably will be turned on high for me quick!...Maybe you'll get pulled from the spit quick so as not to scorch your but while mine goes way past well done!About to be burnt to a crisp again, near the stream,ajClifford...interesting post...but tell us what your're really thinking...You're not holding back are you?...Fifty fifty odds you get barbecued as well as I ever have been...Disclaimer: This post as all my barbecue posts is meant to be taken in jest!...Let's see if it's time to...lighten up or light me up!
*Looking past all the unnecessary flaming, I think Clifford does make a good point about Joe's complaint better served in private.Besides that, I think there is a deep seated problem elsewhere that triggered the pyrotechnique.
*Old Tom Leher song..something about Rickity Tickity Tin....as the smoke a flames rose higher...danced around the funeral pyre...
*Dear mr fusco. Try and drop the JoeFuscoCentric attitude for just a minute so that you might learn something and it wouldn't hurt to go out on the street and borrow a small piece of humility from a common man.Let me explain something to you. Going back to your original post: > Whoever is in charge of the re-configuration of the HTML once it is uploaded from the text box, you're doing a GREAT JOB of screwing it up. You really need to get rid of the break tag after each line break.Your complaint regarding the break tag is not with the sysop here it's probably with the programmers at WebCrossing. The sysop here isn't writing the WebCrossing code he (or she) is just administering the forums functions. Would I be justified making a post in your forums saying "Whoever is in charge of the re-configuration of the HTML once it is uploaded from the text box, you're doing a GREAT JOB of screwing it up. None of my formatting is showing up." Well mr fusco what can you do to fix that up? Nothing because the messaging software you have chosen to use does not allow for the inclusion of HTML. The WebCrossing software was developed so that the common user could get some basic formatting functionality into their posts (bold, italic, etc.) and those with a little touch of computer savvy could use HTML tags to further dress up their posts. It says on the Web Crossing Help Page here:> "Because the text you post is reformatted and displayed in HTML by your Web browser, you need to use either raw HTML or the quick-editor to add paragraph breaks, bold, italic, centering, indented paragraphs, and bulleted paragraphs to your messages. ....... But, do remember to put a blank line between each paragraph, because that is how Web Crossing tells where to break paragraphs."I am making the inference that the problem you are having is that you are using HTML editor to write your code and not just hand coding or dropping in occasional tags. Remember the Help page says "you need to use raw HTML". The Web Crossing engine sees a line break and interprets that the average user wants that to represent a paragraph break and adds a break tag . In your case your HTML editor has already added a paragraph tag where you want a paragraph break. And then when you post your message code the WebCrossing engine sees the line break in your text, adds a break tag and then follows it with another paragraph tag that you have included in your code and you get the double break.So what are the work-arounds? What can be done about this? Well provided the sysop can access the WebCrossing code he or she could make it so that the WebCrossing engine no longer adds a break tag when it sees a blank line in the text. But then everyone but you would lose all their paragraph formatting unless they were to learn HTML or use an HTML editor. Then what?On the other hand the sysop could write a WYSIWYG Java client for everyone to download and use. I'll quote from a page that's part of the WebCrossing help system (or you can click and read it yourself : WYSIWYG: Not anytime soon, unless you want to program ). > "For WYSIWYG you need to download a client. While this might be appropriate for an Intranet, it's not good for a public forum. It adds a huge layer of complexity, and tons of administrative overhead with all sorts of additional bugs and support issues.... yuck! Keep it simple."But all that trouble and expense would certainly be okay just so long as the Taunton Press is able to keep mr joseph fusco happy. While I earlier made mention I though you would have been better off e-mailing the sysop regarding your problem I also think mr fusco you would have done better to politely post a request asking the sysop for help rather than accusing him/her of "screwing it up". You see you are the one who was really screwing things up and that you were just too computer naive to recognize that the problem was you and your editor or coding style. It's a very simple thing for you to remove your paragraph tags You see I'm writing in an HTML editor too and I'm not having any real problems.Regarding your questions an comments to me:> "Let me guess. . . Your an expert right? Unlike you (who I'm sure has been doing it for years and years. . .) I'm only doing this for about a year or so and I can assure you I will get better"I only started learning HTML a year ago too. I'm really a graphic artist (PhotoShop, Painter, Illustrator, Freehand, and Canvas etc.). I do however understand that computer coding isn't easy. I was also under the impression that you had been doing this a little longer than a year too. Your old site's registration record for fusco-verga-const.com was created on 11-Aug-1998. That's two years. My criticisms regarding page layout and design still stand and on those issues I am a lot more experienced than you are or ever will be. If you've changed your home page around five or six times and it still looks like it does you don't know much about design and composition. There might be a difference between what you like and what is actually good design. You might do well mr fusco at this time to hire (contract out to) a professional to produce your site's architecture, graphics, and page layout and then you could devote yourself to producing the content where your real expertise lies.Until you do here's a few other little hints you. * When photographing your work trying using a bounce flash so you don't get "flash back" off of all your glossy surfaces. While you can fix that up in PhotoShop it's a lot easier if you shoot good photos in the first place. It's much easier to improve good photos than fix bad ones. * Also when making thumbnails or reducing the size of your photos as you did on your home page try Blurring the full image first from the filter menu. Then reduce the image size (Image menu) and then apply the Sharpen filter. You'll be very pleasantly surprised. > "If you had some concerns about my site why didn't you e-mail me privately? I guess you wanted to be a Bigshot and do it publicly."Sorry about that mr fusco but that's what you do all the time. You set the precedent here. I was just following your lead. I sincerely doubt you are e-mailing privately all those people you flame. I was just following your cue. I was actually a while back that I finally got sick of your arrogance and listening to you flame and insult people so when you made an ignorant post like you did to start this off this discussion I though enough is enough and I jumped in. I assure you I don't enjoy this and I have better things to do but it time you got a taste of your own medicine. Your manners suck. I also feel that if I was really trying to be a big shot about this I would have a BIG HUGE Clifford B logo at the end of every single one of my posts with a link to my own web page. (Nothing wrong with the logo and link per se, it's just way too large to be considered tasteful). With regard to your rotating logo on your home page being tasteful or not I'd invite you to go to the Get High (Traffic) Forums scroll down the page to Site Review Please and post a request for a review and see what the people tell you. While I (personally) think the spinning logo is high schoolish it also cuts itself off at the top of the browser window as it spins. What kind of design planning is that? That's like putting the top of a picture window at 4 feet above the floor don't you think?> "E-mailing the sysop would be as useful as trying to have an intelligent conversation with you, a useless entity with nothing better to do but critique my site."What a childish retort. You know I certainly have a lot better things to do. mr fusco while you know your carpentry you are really nothing but a pompous arrogant bully who enjoys the sound of his own online voice as you reign over your on-line neighborhood. I certainly have tons of better things to do than critique your site but given that you saw fit to attack and criticize the FHB/Taunton sysop and forum unjustly I thought I'd just point out to you what a ignorant dolt you are. I usually only pop in here once every other month or so and while you do hand out some useful information I always seem to notice you knocking or ridiculing someone so I figured why not. Maybe if you let up a little with your macho posturing this online community would have more contributors and be a better group learning environment.Here's a question for you. If you think E-mailing the sysop would be fruitless what made you think posting your insulting comment towards Taunton in this public forum would be more effective. I've posted my comments to you here and it doesn't look like they are going to have any effect at all. So what was your thinking?As for you being "always willing to learn" it doesn't seem like your learning anything from this round of criticism (remember...think about gaining some humility sometime). Have you ever asked a question here? I certainly don't recall you ever doing so. Your "act" is to just hang around and answer other peoples questions because it makes you feel good about yourself. Nothing wrong with that because we can all use the help. But your not really here to learn anything. What kinds of questions are you asking here?The link I gave you was to a great book on working the web by Jacob Nielson and wasn't a link to his site but since you've brought it up here's the link to his site: useit.com: Jakob Nielsen's Website. As for helping you out, try reading and posting your questions in some of the other forums on like The Get High (Traffic) Forums site . If your comment "why don't you show your expertise and help me out" was really serious and not just a attempt at another cute comeback you can email me and I'll send you plenty of on-line links that you can use to improve your web design and internet knowledge.> "Maybe you can lend some of your expertise once again and help the sysop FIX the dame buttons. . . That should be easy enough for a pro like yourself.Maybe I can. What's the problem with the buttons I really haven't noticed since I don't hang out here the way you do? If you can explain it to me I actually just might be able to help. However I should point out to you that the problem might be with WebCrossing and not with the Taunton sysop as I mentioned above. To tell you the truth in general I'm not a big fan of the WebCrossing software although it does have some nice features. I do think however that rather than ranting, raving and complaining you might want to e-mail the folks at Taunton and thank them for setting you up with this forum in the first place. You'll notice there is no banner advertising on these pages so these forums aren't generating any revenue for The Taunton Press to even pay for the sysop's salary so I think a sincere "Thank You" on your part would be more in order than the whining and complaining I hear here. When you review your site's statistics (I realize your hosting plan may not provide you with any stats) aren't most of the refering pages that link to your personal site coming from here? You owe Taunton a debt of gratitude for driving traffic to your site because it cetainly ain't coming from the search engines. I checked and you are poorly placed if placed at all in most of them. Once again you might want to check in with the Get High (Traffic) Forums site as well as the Search Engine Forums for help with that.And as for:> "But, some people without brains do an awful lot of talking. . ".- The ScareCrowYou know this is the first time I have ever posted here, however I seems like you've been here talkin' for ever.
*hey joe, sounds like a marriage made in heaven.. you oughta hire the guy...b but hey.........
*Cliff...Hang around and give us all a hand with our puters once in awhile...You Da man for sure. Lots to learn for me at least.near the bit stream, feeding my pet lobstersaj
*Mr. B.A clarification would be in order, I think.Who the hell do you think your taking to, here?We're construction people. We don't use long insulting stories to make a point or a suggestion. If something displeases us, we tell him or it to f**k off. We don't have time to spend writing 10,000 word essays to show off our writing skills.When you walk into a fine home or building, remember who built it. It wasn't english majors or computer engineers, it was plumbers, electricians, carpenters,etc.Then there's another breed of people that you are not familiar with that I'd like to introduce you to. The foremen, superintendants, project managers and owners of construction companies. We are people who have to make instant decisions every working hour of the day and heres what sets us apart from the rest of the world, we are held responsible for our decisions. We're the captains of our industry.You don't get to be captain without knowing your stuff and you don't continue to be captain without having the strenght to control and maintain your sites progress, safety and successful completion.So, my fine feathered friend, remember this, if it wasn't for quality stand up guys like most of the regulars on this board, you wouldn't have such an interesting and informative CONSTRUCTION related site for guys like you to read and learn about our world.Gabe
*Sit Gabe. Good boy.
*Grrrrrrrr,GabeBTW I still don't have respect for people who post barbs without identifiying themselves. They're cowards in my book.
*Hey everybody,hi Joe and Gabe,what happened,Joe has a complaint for the sysop and Cliff thinks he has to defend the teck guys?What a jerk,but he's got better things to do right.Hey, maybe he is the guy who screwed it up,what now now. Can't wait for the next installment.Vince
*Sorry Vince, Gabe, mr fusco et al you all have to wait until at least the weekend. I've got better things to do and real life outside of this cyber world. Everyone else thanks for all the supporting e-mails. I'll check in again as soon as I get some time. Good luck in all your dealings with mr fusco and his henchman martel.You two guys crack me up. Get a life will ya. Clifford BearSilicon Alley, NYC(where are you from martel?)
*see, joe.. he's your next door neigbor.. anudder guy from the 'hood..hire him....
*Hey Cliff,I, for one, appreciate your call down on mr fusco. Lord knows he needs it. There are some here who don't know any better, (I'm surprised that Gabe is one of them) but most of us real carpenters know him for what he is. It's clear from his web site photos that he is an average carpenter at best, and it's obvious to most of us that he borrows expertise and claims it as his own. It seems that he wants to be a Master at something, but he spreads himself too thin in too many directions and his bully techniques would draw disdain from a true Master of Carpentry. What's the phrase......Jack of all trades; Master of none.Thanks for your honest opinion. That is what makes this site something special.To find the true worth of mr fusco, just wait for his response to my post. (As if his response to yours was not enough).Ed. WilliamsDallas, Texas(email address held upon request)
*!!!!HANDS OFF MY DAME BUTTONS!!!!=))))
*Butt it's so fun pushing your dame buttons...b : )
*Gabe,Very well expressed, I totaly agree.
*OK...you, butt no one else...
*I'm trying to figure out why I am enjoying this thread and the "Boogering with Blue" thread so much.How exciting!!Eric
*I like to push em to(o)!!!near the stream,ajnot a genus...or an average Joe...
*Yaah...barbecues and linchings have always been popular!!!!near the stream and enjoying the wiggling and the blue true threads myself....aj
*Lookin like there's gonna be a cyber fist fight, behind the gym, after school!
*Should we "taunt-on" the contenders?????????Joe Frasier was one tough dude but got his but kicked more often than not!....Joe....Joe....I know ya don't want me ta be for ya...but ya got a famous fighten name and with all the quotes ya like...well....watch out for the guy that stings like a bee!!!near the stream and wandering a wondering about your corner and your coroner....ooopsey...watch the spelling!!!'ajand where's the sole man in you're corner...the...ah trainer....ah...the Canadian fella....with the carpenter's terets syndrome mouth....
*Startin a barby...steaks on the grill.....Oh is it gonna be a tasty one...near the stream enjoyin a barby on a warm fall night...ajtime for another level....
*Clifford, been in Graphic Design long?Who's Paul Rand, where did he work, what did he do?(Someone who could call him "Paul" and keep both his teeth and job.)
*Even if you're not a genus, you're speciel, aj. Sorry, though--Luka has i-don't-know-squatter's rights.
*Yes, but could you call him "Peretz"?--i always did, back when we were kids, those kosher evenings...Gilt-by-association, Geo?...i don't think so...
*Mr. Bear,That would be Mr. Martel or Gabe, to you. When you ask nice, I may tell you.GabePS. unless you have a question about construction or can add something constructive, don't bother coming back and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
*AJ, sometimes you remind me of that little weasel that we all knew in school who got his jollies from goating people into arguments by playing up to both sides with misinformation from the other.Gabe
*Cliff - Excellent post! The beautiful thing 'bout Joey Buttafusco is that he doesn't even realize it when he gets his butt kicked. . .-Lee
*You're right Gabe...You know we do agree on this and often on construction...However I do become this "weasel" when b anyone becomes a major, name calling, swearing, bully...It is b notthe way contractors, carpenters and the trades act where I work, live and spend most of my waking life...If being rude and swearing and calling others names and debasing the messenger is your game and the game of your mates then maybe you could take the lead and work on civilizing your work life...Respect will get you respect...name calling gets name calling back from your same type and from me it just gets pointed out as not very respectful from where the rest of the civil world lives and posts from...the weasel just for you and your sidekick...near the stream,ajps What da ya say Gabe...fellow flyer, and contractor extraordinaire...Ready to call and truce and love you two boys anytime...if ya all can be nice to one person you differ with...
*Gilt? Nah, my golden-age is still a comin' SG.You'd have to be 80ish to have been "kids" together.Here's a chance to redeem yourself: He HATED a renouned modern sculptor... who?
*George,Was it David Smith that Mr. Rand disliked?dave p.
*I'll throw one one on the fire to cool it off so to speak. Maybe Gabe is in charge of building igloos up where he comes from. Suppose he could install cable to do high speed web design?Smiling and loving this threadDennis
*Never built an igloo, but have been in a few, how about you?Don't want anything higher speed right now, trying to catch up to what I have.Gabe
*ReNOUNed? The sculptor went by a pseudonym, too?! Yer making this too hard fer me, Geo...
*No, Gabe, I haven't, but I enjoy the north and would like to see and go in one. Hope to one day go to Churchil and see the bears and whales. I love Canada.Dennis
*Right....No firewire in the igloos...Can't post from a melted igloo!near the stream crackin myself up!aj (the notorious weasel)
*True story,Two guys after a night of drinking, one bets the other that he can go down to the dump outside Churchill and kick a polar bear in the ass.Down to the dump these wingnuts go. Sure enough, a polar bear is sitting down, facing the other way, having his nite time snack. The one gets out, walks up behind the Polar bear and lays one kick on his butt. As he's walking back to the van, the bear charges and the genius makes inside the van before the bear got to him.Several bears join the party.The bears totally destroyed the van. Ripped slices right out of the tin and rolled it over.Meanwhile, the wingnuts are begging on the CB for their comrades in arms to come to their rescue. The screams were convincing enough for the locals to go to their aid and managed to scare off the bears with gun fire.The two heroes required a change of cloths and a new van.So, Dennis, if you want to see the polar bears, remember not to feed the bears, that means do not get close. Because to a polar bear, YOU ARE FOOD.GabeBTW Once you have been north of the artic circle you will know what it's like to be on top of the world. No feeling like it.
* '> ' BTW Once you have been north of the artic circle you will know what it's like to be on top of the world. No feeling like it. Gabe, I will absoposolutly second that ! I spent 4 seasons in the Arctic and have allways said that to understand this country is to have seen the Arctic !
*Joe, I think clifford whupped you badly.The proof is in the fact that the Sysop has not changed a thing.Just an observation....Have you considered anger management?blue
*Back in the '60s I used to work on heavy contruction equipment and I got sent to a place called Chesterfield Inlet on Hudson's Bay to demonstrate a Gardner-Denver Air-Trac along with a G-D 1200cfm compressor (the compressor eventually was to power two Air-Tracs and a number of smaller tools). We'd just towed the compressor in from the airport with a surplus Beaver duce and a half 6x6; I drove because there's a bit of a knack to towing several tons on a 4-wheel hayrack carriage; the guy with me gets out and pulls the draw-bar off the pintle, locks it upright, and then suddenly re-enters the truck in a panic and slams the door; he can't/won't speak, I think it's some sort of initiation to the camp. Then the compressor glides past the truck; now we're talking about a steel brick bigger than a G30 van and it's silently rolling along past the truck; and my companion is now frantically rolling up my window and locking my door; and then "it" was looking down at me through the window, my head had to be 8' above ground and this polar bear is leaning against my door and looking down at me while my companion is dropping these very large shells all over the foor as he tries to load the 308 Weatherby they kept behind the seat; thankfully the bear went back to his new game of 'pushing the compressor'; must have pushed it 1/4 mile before it got bored and wandered off. I'm not sure, but I was probably in more danger of being accidentally shot by my temporary partner than of being eaten by the bear, but an awesome experience none-the-less.
*David, no... and a hint... keep "thinking".
*What did Rodin ever do to him, other than not attend his bris?
*Phill, I don't think Weatherby made a 308 in the 60's they only had proprietary Weatherby calibers.Gabe
*ROFLMWAO!Looks like you can get the same reaction when you try to kick a New Yorker's "BEAR" ass!So what kinda van did you get?
*DF I wouldn't drive a van, even if it were given to me. That's not a NY bare ass you see, it's your reflection in the mirror.Gabe
*Gosh, it is just so easy to set the hook...(PSSST! Babe, check out Clifford's last name...got the joke yet?)
*Weatherby doesn't make .308 ammo Gabe, but they've been making rifles in the very popular Winchester .308 for a long time. http://www.weatherby.com/rifles/lw_svm.shtml
*DF, you're sure living up to your new name.Gabe
*Good try Phill, but the only early rifle ever marketed by weatherby to ever use standard calibres was the vanguard, not the weatherby.All of Roy's early rifles that he made were weatherby mags.You'll have to adjust your little story.Gabe
*Yeah,I find Cliff B. to be the winner here. Hands down. Joey is a sore loser........just what we all expected anyway. I guess he'll just gather up his toys and go home. What a maroon. Isn't it pathetic when a man can't admit that he's been bested?Ed.Williams
*Well, that wasn't my truck, nor my rifle Gabe; but, the box of shells was clearly marked .308. And, if you went to the website I entered in my last reply, you'll see the calibres made, including .308.
*Admittedly Joe, I actually don't know if either of you are right because I don't know HTML very well. I base my observations on how many times you switch the subject, rather than deal with the facts.Whats' your problem with my framing? Constructive criticsms only please. I don't need you to analyze my ancestry...blue
*I remember spending many hours pouring through Weatherby catalogues drooling over guns so far beyond my budget they might as well have been on another planet. Must be nice to be on a first name basis Gabe. How much are they now, still way out of a kid's range I bet. Seems like around $360 to $400 was the early 60's price I didn't have. After that it was a Harley Sporster I couldn't ever afford, think they cost more now tooooooooo. Joe H
*Hi Joe,I considered Roy Weatherby to be one dedicated dude. He started off selling his guns from the back of his station wagon at gun events and slowly built up an incredible business.I was extremely fortunate to have met Roy, Jack O'Connor, Joyce Hornady and Lee Jurras at a show in Vegas a long time ago. I did a lot of business with both Hornady and Super Vel amunition over those early years.Gabe
*Phill,You seem to have forgotten that your story was dated in the 60's but your rebuttal is in the present, so your arguments are flushed down the toilet, along with your credibility.Gabe
*Phill,A Weatherby magnum is the holy grail of supercharged ammunition, at least in production weapons and ammo. It is nothing whatever like other calibers, magnum or not.The Weatherby car reach out and touch...
*Gabe, there was a big gun show in LV this summer but I think we may be seeing the end of them here. California has been taken over by the Democrats, public employee unions and illegal aliens. No more gun shows & pretty soon no more guns is what they are working on. Joe H
*They also make guns in standard calibres which they currently call their varmiter line (i.e. for people who want a Weatherby, but don't want to buy a 30-378 or .460 canon). As I go through the research to prove that Gabe is a jerk, I've discovered that many of the early ones were purchased by Lands & Forests, oil exploration companies, and geologists starting in the early '60s to fill the need of a gun that can sit in -40 temperatures for weeks and then be chambered up and fired without damage. They also insisted that the ammo be readily available over the counter and have a indefinite shelf-life. There is also more than a little speculation that the guys in the field were "borrowing" the protection guns to go hunting and that they perhaps over-specified their needs in order to get weapons they couldn't afford on their own budgets. On the dark side of possibilities, it has also been suggested that my partner in the truck had the wrong ammo for the gun and that would explain why he couldn't chambre a round - wouldn't that be a bummer !
*You'll have to speak up Phill, you're so far down in the hole that you dug for yourself on this one that I can't hear you.GabeBy the way, look up marstar.com and guess who the mar part was, once upon a time.
*Ya Joe H. its becoming that way over here a lot faster but I'll be kicking and screaming all the way.The entire continent is like a huge shopping mall. Nothing but ladies ware and shoes, nothing for men.Gabe
*Gabe,Nothing at marstar.com.Rich Beckman
*Rick, sorry about that just type marstar and it will come up.
*Actually Joe, I'm not involved in this discussion. I did however offer my ouside opinion that you got yore butt whupped in the debate. Since I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I had to go to my style check. It seems that your opponent methodically, point by point explained something. You countered by sarcastically saying that some of his assumptions were wrong. But you didn't dispute the technical aspects of his assertions.Since I appointed myself the scorer of the debate, I awarded the win to your opponent. Maybe you are technically right, but you still lost on style points. But, if I had to choose who seems to be more technically right, despite my ignorance, I'd still say you got whupped!Anyways, I was looking forward to some credible critiques of my framing. Don't worry about the check, it's already deposited.blue
*Yeah, that found it.Rich Beckman
*Wow!!!...There are so many emerging dialects....NYCcarpenter's ebonics...near the stream watching you fish for "blues"...Just another boring bozo...ajJoe...we love ya man!!!! give it a break!
*Joe, I don't think you could call Clifford one of my friends. That's stretching it a bit. In fact, I'd be more inclined to call you one of my friends.This entire thread turned into a quest to get you straightend out. It's kinda laughable becuase I'm sure you would resist all decent advice, given your track record.You are probably the only one trying to do something unique with the tags in question. I admire your enthusiasm. But really, if you really wanted to accomplish something with the administrators, I think a much different tact would be easily seen to be more effective. You can't seriooulsy think that your original post would be met with an enthsiastic response of "By George, Joe's right, I'm gonna jump right on this and fix it up for him!!!".Take a chill pill. Everyone's not out to get you.blue
*Joe...Well I just tried to post a rewrite of your last rant with MS Frontpage 2000 to add all your colors and found out that Webcrossing 4.0 is doing some funky things with the tags now verses the past...Kudos to ya for bringing it up...near the stream reteaching my special forces lobsters to give ya a break for awhile...ajBut give us all a break someday and be nice will ya!
*Guns and ammo....kind of goes well with the other parts of this thread,near the stream unloading the canons for awhile,aj
*i what fish tastes better, blue or red sniperI'd have to go with the "blue" sniper, definitely more palatable.Shore am having fin at the Dodging Bullet Ballet...
*Gabe, in all the excitement... the box markings "Weatherby" and "300 Weatherby Magnum" looked like "Winchester" and "308 Win." a simple error anyone could make.One Innuit I met 10+ years ago said he killed a Polar Bear with a .222 Remington he used for Seal hunting. I felt he was waaaay undergunned.(He did too) but seeing it was the only weapon he had... he shot it in the mouth, with the round penetrating the soft palate and entering the brain. (He did mention a falling bear as a menace, and a need for fresh clothing).
*So, SG you taking credit for being Clifford B. too? What's with the kosher and judaic comments? Did I "out" a less than formidable Graphic Artist? Or a newcomer to a field, posing as an accomplished pro? Oh, and please... before I get the "PhotoShop Pro" lecture... I'd need to know what type of press used a "doctor knife" in the printing process, what a Dye-Transfer is, (and if you're too new to it - we're talking '80s here) who made the first viable rotary-drum laser scanner and graphic computer?Either way, nice (easy) guess on Rodin. If you knew Rodin or Rand, then you'd know why.Bert was who? (And not a Muppet... we'll deal with HA! another day).
*Can I play too? Scitex developed a system in the mid '70s but it was very expensive, so I don't know if this is what you want in terms of viability.It's kinda neat what you can find on the web anymore. Paul Rand I Paul Rand II Doctor knife <a href="http://www.onlinephotography.com/dyetran.html" Dye-Transfer Sorry, George, I couldn't resist. If you come up with more questions, I promise to give others the chance to answer...Oh, and I thought everyone knew Bert - he's the cop in It's a Wonderful Life.
*What? This discussion is drivng me nutz... (Short trip too)
*Why doesn't Joe just call the sysop guy or get a job at finehomebuilding?
*Hey Folks,Why all this talk about guns? Are we gonna shoot fusco? I'm up for that. One less NY a**hole. Poor guy......he gives all of the rest of you New Yorkers a bad name. He sure fits the sterotype. Kind of like me......East Texas Red Neck. Ed. Williams
*Ed,just chatting about something else other than name calling.Gabe
*Ed...The Upstaters are a little nicer but not much....The Caralinas are by far the friendliest States in the Union...I spent twenty minutes in Ashville once and had invitations to peoples homes for dinner, clogging and a ton of muffler work done for $10 by the manager welding in his white shirt cause the welder had called in sick that day...near the stream,ajYou know the laid back attitude is definitely related to lattitude...Where's Jimmy Buffett when I need him to sing it, but just look at the Canadians on this board!...Must be the cold has a lot to do with it!...The rasta boys in St Thomas sure do freak when they meet a fast talkin Northerner..."hey maaan...now yaa gooottta slooww waaayy dowwnn theeerrreee beffffooore yaaaa get yaaa deeaaad booooy...
*Scitex is correct... price? Millions... dollars, not Lira.Gravure press-systems use doctor knives, and are known by another name as well (begins with "I").Not bad web research Mr. P... too bad the poseurs couldn't do as well.
*Geo, you'll have to hunt Cliff down yourself if you want a shoot out. As self-appointed court-jester, i'm merely responding to your Alex Trebek gig.Anti-Semitism? Good grief, G, i'm an animal rights activist, can't get any more bleeding-heart than that! You knew Rodin too?! (How old are you?) Ever see the movie "Camille Claudel"? Yummmmm...
*(Psst....Joe at 20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1..1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1)
*aj,You're right about the Carolina's. I spent some time there as a boy at a place just outside of Ashville. Beautiful country, friendly people.......I'd love to go back someday.Ed.
*AjackWhadda ya talkin about ya bozo. ..Adrians so laid back he's practically horizontal, and yer neighbour Steve Zerby is so calm he's almost comotose.'Tude ain't geographic man, it's genetic... and if you don't agree you can go f**k yourself!!!!-pm
*Whuts a sysop?
*Ancient... around here, only crusty Jon Carter is older... hell, he remembers Schooners and water-powered sawmills.
*Hey Patrick!I resemble that remark! Don't think I'm not following this thread. I love to watch a good fight as much as the next guy.You can't chock up my laid-backness to New York, though. I'm a Minnesotan in my bones. We all talk a little slow in the land of square-heads.Steve
*I see no one is going to answer you my newbie friend, L.Siders. A sysop is a system operator-the guy who makes this board work.I know you're a newbie by that question. Oh yeah, a newbie is someone new to the net.blueps. welcome aboard!
*heyblue...larry's no newbie..he's the guy i steal all my jokes from...he's just the only one here who's got a regular job and no time on his hands....hah, hah, hah...and blue... i don't wanna hear about how YOU gotta reg. job......hah, hah, hah.....come on.. whatta we gonna frame next .. you budding photo-journalist...wouldn't you just love to follow fusco around with a camera for a day ?.. i can see it now....spike ""blue "" lee does joe..b a day in the life....
*I am a loser now, Mike.I just found out that were doing an east side house, at about 10% over my costs. Thats the best Frank could find. I'm still looking for something better for me, on the next one. The problem appears to be short term. A lull in sales has put quite a scare into quite a few builders around here, but there are enouch sold jobs that are in the pipeline. We turned one down with the last builder because it would have tied us up for at least a month, and easily more. I don't mind one month long jobs as long as there is some hope of coming out ahead.Oh well.blue
*Boy, could we use you down here in Virginia!Thanks again for the photo journalism, and for dealing with the realities of actual job conditions... it seems I've used my cat's paw far too often this past week.Regards, Steve
*I'm coming down to ginnie Steve! And I'll bring my arsenal of cat's paws. I never have less than six or seven to choose from!Sometimes I dream of that sweet noise: Chink, chink, eeeeeeeeeeeuhhhhhhh!bluePs, How much am I gonna make?
*I have a mexican working for me, and he tells me they call a "cat's paw" a "goat's foot" in Mexico. They actually look more like a goat's foot than anything else.John
*Hey, Steve Z ! I'm still in Minnesota. Are you inplying that I talk slow, and have a square head? I thought Texans talked slow. All I know about heads is that the people to our immediate East are cheese heads .
*Ah, the more things change, the more they stay the same... good to see you guys are still, er, pushing the envelope.Patty/aka Fiyo
*Long time no see, Patty. How ya doing?Rich Beckman
*Reply to #107,We...........don't...........talk.............that............slow.Ed........................Williams
*Hey Steve G!Whereabouts in Minnesota? I'm from Minnetonka first and then the Prospect Park area of Mpls. Love to come across fellow squareheads. Though I'm reluctant to give the time of day to a cheesehead until I know them better...Steve
*Cheeseheads don't bother speaking with Gophers either, but since you started it, you two Steve's better watch it or we'll tell the flatlanders in Illinois to head your way, then you'll have real problems with the FIB's!
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