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1. 
   lunar | Dec 24, 2003 02:16am | #1

   Hubcap

   Your customer is giving you latitude because they respect YOUR work.  Don't copy anything! This is your chance to experiment and possibly make something uniquely great, and get paid doing it, to boot.

   Listen to your client, let'r rip, and post us some photo's.

   C.

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   calvin | Dec 24, 2003 03:09am | #2

   Hub, Seneca Millwork, fostoria ohio, 800-228-6671.  Great place, Old knives, supplies many area lumberyards w/specialty trim.  You wanna pay for a knife, they'll mill it.  If this is a volume order, not bad pricing.  Their off the shelf trims are unique as well.  Check em out, don't have a web address.

   You buy the next round if this works out.

   Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.

   Quittin' Time

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   hubcap | Dec 24, 2003 05:25pm | #11

   Kacy Architectural Millwork in Danville will make any knife no charge- least they have never charged me. I suppose it's a result of my endearing prescence...

   or something like that.

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   UncleDunc | Dec 24, 2003 07:16pm | #13

   What happens when you order 8 feet of a custom profile?

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   MisterT | Dec 24, 2003 08:22pm | #14

   KA-CHING!!!Mr T

   Do not try this at home!

   I am an Experienced Professional!

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   UncleDunc | Dec 24, 2003 11:31pm | #17

   That's kind of what I thought. The knives may not show up on the invoice, but he's paying for them one way or another.

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   hubcap | Dec 25, 2003 04:00pm | #18

   fifty bucks to change cutters is all i have ever paid-

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   MisterT | Dec 24, 2003 03:22am | #3

   I know what you mean Hub.

   I would like to see a book with trim styles and names and periods etc.

   I can make stuff up but it would be nice to be able to show some one how different bases, casings, chairs and crowns go together on don't go.

   If you go into a house that has been remuddled beyond reckognition but may have one or two clues, you could find out what your options are and what might have been original.

   OK Cloud, wrecked angle, CAG and any other arcytypes out ther heres your chance to really get in good with the Carpentry crowd and teach us something to boot!!

   Mr T

   Do not try this at home!

   I am an Experienced Professional!

   
   

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   Edited 12/23/2003 7:25:24 PM ET by Mr T

4. 
   JerraldHayes | Dec 24, 2003 06:02am | #4

   Hubcap ya really got to build a design reference library. To start you can do a number of things.

   1. Create a file cabinet library for photographic references. It might have categories like Furniture, Rooms, Stairs & Railings, Windows, Doors, Periods, styles, architects or designers such a bungalow, shingle, Georgian, etc etc.
   2. Carry around a camera with you everywhere to shoot interesting architecture whenever you see it then categorize and library your photos so that you can reference them in the future. With a digital camera and something like Apple's iPhoto you have a great tool for filing sorting and printing your libraries too. I am sure there is stuff like that for windows but I leave it to other to put there two cents in on windows software since I'm not an expert on what available.
   3. Buy the design magazines like House & Garden and their ilk and cut pictures out of them and file them in your library too. I don't cut up my FHB or FWW mags but I'll make a note on a 3 x 5 card regarding the issue and page and drop it in the appropiate file folder.
   4. Go to you local Barns & noble or Borders and start to buy books on architecture and interiors. Make the same kind of notes on 3 x 5 cards and file them. Use post-it notes. A good place to start is a book called The Elements of Style: A Practical Encyclopedia of Interior Architectural Details from 1485 to the Present

      by Stephen Calloway.

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      Identifying American Architecture: A Pictorial Guide to Styles and Terms: 1600-1945 is another good one. I just got a few days ago.

   I could go on...

   The other day I was looking through my files and I figured I had well in excess of two hundred photos of front door entryways to houses and maybe as many as 400! In other words there were two many to count.

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5. 
   PhillGiles | Dec 24, 2003 08:56am | #5

   Here's a few to get you started - they include some links and pointers to books for your library visit.

   http://www.jparis-realtor.com/styles.htm

   http://www.house-styles-guide.com/index.html

   http://architecture.about.com/library/bl-styles_index.htm

   http://www.kitchens.com/Remodeling-And-Design/design/home-kitchen-styles.htm

   http://www.ambungalow.com/AmBungalow/whatStyle.htm

   http://www.masterpieces.com/arch2.htm

   http://www.emich.edu/public/geo/335book/335ch5.html

   http://www.uniquestylehomes.com/tour.html

   .

   Phill Giles

   The Unionville Woodwright

   Unionville, Ontario

1. 
   Novy | Dec 24, 2003 09:01am | #7

   Phillis,

    You really should try a bit harder. Not enough research ?

   On a hill by the harbour

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   PhillGiles | Dec 24, 2003 10:00am | #8

   Never more than 60 seconds unless someone asks nicely..

   Phill Giles

   The Unionville Woodwright

   Unionville, Ontario

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   Novy | Dec 24, 2003 08:58am | #6

   Hub,

    I tink this question should be in the woodshed ! Because it is you .....

   On a hill by the harbour
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   hubcap | Dec 24, 2003 05:27pm | #12

   how are ya buddy?

   cold up there yet?

    Happy Boxing and all that

   hub

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   Novy | Dec 24, 2003 09:09pm | #16

   Seasons Greeyings Mr. Hubcap,

    A balmy 44 Deg F. todayOn a hill by the harbour

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   YesMaam27577 | Dec 24, 2003 01:53pm | #9

   How's this for a title:

   "Historic Millwork -- A Guid to Restoring and Re-Creating Doors, Windows, and Moldings of the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries".

   Written by Brent Hull, and published by John Wiley and Sons, copyright 2003.

   It has hundreds of diagrams of individual moldings, as well as built-up assemblies. Also includes cabinets, store fixtures, mantles and such. I've found it helpful in similar situations.

   I think I got my copy from Taunton, but I can't find it on their website. (Maybe it was from Woodcraft?)

   Vast projects should not be founded on half vast ideas.
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   hubcap | Dec 24, 2003 04:05pm | #10

   thank you everyone. off to finish christmas shopping with a stop at the bookstore. I will post photos. Merry Christmas...

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   reinvent | Dec 27, 2003 04:10am | #22

   I checked Amazon and sure enough they sell it. $70 hardcover

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   GoldenWreckedAngle | Dec 24, 2003 08:55pm | #15

   One tool I use in researching period trim is the "Time Saving Standards for Interior Design and Space Planning" by McGraw Hill, ISBN 0-07-016299-9. It shows the appropriate molding profiles and configurations for several historic styles. I bet your local library carries it.

   What style is the home? It might help everyone to get a little more specific with their info if we knew a little more about what you are working with. I hate to say it but you might have an excellent source of info looking over your shoulder there if you can bear the thought of asking for input from the interior designer.

   Kevin Halliburton

   "I believe that architecture is a pragmatic art. To become art it must be built on a foundation of necessity."  - I.M. Pei -

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   hubcap | Dec 25, 2003 04:23pm | #19

   kevin,

   french country estate is how the homeowner refers to it. however, he says he is not married to that style in reguard to the interior finish.

   house has a curved staircase with red oak railing and wrought iron ballusters, extensive ballustrade to match. haven't seen the cabinets to glean any ideas from them.

   i like your thoughts on building a file. this project seems very new orleans to me- in the interest of doing the best possible job perhaps the homeowner should send this carpenter on a research trip. i will suggest that.

   merry christmas

   hub 

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   JeffBuck | Dec 26, 2003 02:23am | #20

   Douggy ....

   I've been to New Orleans ...

   they like me there  ....

   I even know places in alleys and off Bourbon St to fall out of ....

   if ya made PeteFest ya would have heard some great New Orleans related stories ....

   but maybe better I tell ya on the trip down?

   Trust me .... you'll need guidance ... and those locals might just rip ya off .... better to bring one with .......

   Jeff

   Buck Construction   Pittsburgh,PA

        Artistry in Carpentry                

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   hubcap | Dec 26, 2003 04:49pm | #21

   two sets of eyes would certainly be best. one of us should be able to see around the barmaid at all times...

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   JeffBuck | Dec 27, 2003 09:22am | #23

   the barmaids are the easy part ....

   the trick on Bourbon is finding a bathroom without a 2 drink minimum!

   it's a viscious cycle I tell ya ......

   those "beer to-go" stands are a great idea .... till ya realize ... now ya gotta go!

   JeffBuck Construction   Pittsburgh,PA

        Artistry in Carpentry                

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   hubcap | Dec 30, 2003 07:05am | #24

   into the lion's den in the morning- me and my sling-

   yeah yeah i'm mixing my biblical references- big whoop

   should be a funnest time.

   this will look best trust me...

   gonna be swell

   happy next year

   duggy

   Edited 12/29/2003 11:06:13 PM ET by hubcap

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   hubcap | Dec 31, 2003 12:57am | #25

   okay- i showed the folks my rough sketches and sample profiles and they went over big.