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   AXE | Oct 23, 2003 06:12am | #1

   I think a little strip of wall color is going to look odd, and be a painting nightmare.  I would recommend abandoning your standard base there for something that comes all the way up to the under the stool (this would be apron and base in one).  I would bring the stool out proud of the trim on both sides, maybe 3/4" or so, and create a tasteful, but small return.  Maybe instead of mitered return on the stool, you could cut a nice gentle curve into the ear.  Is this all paint grade stuff?  You can cut accurately and use about a hairline's worth of caulk to clean up that joint.  (I am not recommending that caulk is trim....)  If it's not paint grade, you just have to spend a few extra minutes fine tuning the cut with a file or whatever.

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   Wayfarer | Oct 23, 2003 07:06pm | #4

   Thanks for the help guys.  I've got something to go with now.

   I like Jay's approach, but doggone it if he didn't add another four, five inches to space underneath the window!  This panel detail would have been good as the panel would have tied in nicely to the paneled (fiberglass) front door next to the window.  I like though bringing down the trim on both sides with a "filler" in between and no base until outside or to the right of the window trim like Jay illustrates.

   I'm still a little bit on the fence about a stool (DJ); maybe making a full extension/tail on the right side and none on the left side (but still proud of the casing), next to the door.  The only thing is, I like where Jay illustrates the two casings coming to the floor on their own i.e. no interruption with stool tail(s), but suppose I could look into simply curving a no-tail stool like DJ outlines.

   If I do what Jay illustrates without the panel (not really possible due to space constraints), this will actually kind of mimic what I did on the exterior trim on the same door and window; I should have shot an image of the latter.  I'll see if I can't knock this out this evening and report back with a finished image.

   Thanks again for the help.

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   AXE | Oct 23, 2003 10:38pm | #5

   I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

   I was suggesting that the window and door casing come to the floor, as Jay illustrates.  I thought about the panel idea too, but abandoned it because of the 7" height.  The panel would look flimsy down there.  You need a solid amount of base below the panel to make it look reasonable.

   In my idea, the stool would be the last thing to go on.  You could make the stool deep enough to project beyond the window and door casing (and the base/apron piece too).  See attached "aerial view"....  You can make the stool ears whatever suits your taste.

   MERC

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   Wayfarer | Oct 24, 2003 12:17am | #6

   DJ, I gotcha now.  The slight tail rests on the outside of the trim not a "go between" like on my other window trim.  But I should probably router that curved tail which I don't have a bit for and then may have a problem (for me) with such a small routering turn.  But you're suggesting I think just sanding to slightly bevel; and yeah, it is paint grade stool.  The other 1 X 4 et al material is "advantage pine" with a rough side where I think this stuff is made for exterior, but have heard that I'm not the only one to use for interior, smooth side of course.  This is pretty good stuff coming from New Zealand apparently.

   Anyway, the stool amount is pretty minimal; I think I'll cut it, place it, tack it and the other trim, and see what it looks like.  Thanks again.

   I've got two transom, door tie-in/transitions too I'd like to run past you all.

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   AXE | Oct 24, 2003 02:50am | #7

   It would take somebody 10x longer to do that cut with a router than it would by hand.  Use a jigsaw or a coping saw and fair the curve with a rasp and clean it all up with a file or sandpaper.   Shouldn't take more than about 10 minutes per stool.  Each side of the door, 20 minutes, done.

   I love this trim stuff, since it really makes a house.  I generally make all my own trim.  I can post some pictures tomorrow or this weekend if anybody cares.  I made some pretty whimsical trim for the kids room.

   Let us know what you do.    <MERC>

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   JDRHI | Oct 24, 2003 04:06am | #8

   I did add a bit of height to that window, didn`t I? Guess I ought not problem solve after midnight while watching a ball game anymore...my multitask capabilities begin to dwindle after 10 PM.

   I`ll wait to see if you don`t post a pic of the completed project this evening, I`ll see what else might come about in the meantime.J. D. Reynolds

   Home Improvements

   "DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"

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   PhillGiles | Oct 23, 2003 07:03am | #2

   Add an extension to the bottom of the base to take it down to floor-level - IMHO, that's the least hokey way out of this.

   .

   Phill Giles

   The Unionville Woodwright

   Unionville, Ontario

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   JDRHI | Oct 23, 2003 07:24am | #3

   The first thing that pops into my head is to forego a typical window treatment and base moulding here. Using the window and door casings, create a panel detail below windows. Stool is optional. Lets see what I can do in MS Paint:

   J. D. Reynolds

   Home Improvements

   "DO IT RIGHT, DO IT ONCE"

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   DougU | Oct 24, 2003 05:52am | #9

   Wilely

   Another suggestion would be to do what Jaybird said, except instead of a panel just put a window stool in and fill in under that to the floor, then rap your base around the front of it, that would break up the wide piece between the stool and the floor.

   I have some pictures of something like it but cant find them right now.

   Doug

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   Wayfarer | Oct 24, 2003 06:48am | #10

   Doug, I think that is what DJ is driving at.  The only thing about "wrapping" the base is that I then have to make another transition to the vertical pieces of the door trim and side of the window--a 3/4" piece with two 45's.  Geez, before you know it I'll have molding two feet into the entry. ;-)

   Gawd I am such a loser thinking this $hit to death.  I fiddled with the stool this early eve and a miter return before my concrete guy showed up and thought afterwards, way too much there.  A simple stool is more in order (along DJ's lines).  But then I go back to Jay's thing with the panel which I could almost see working too, but differently than he outlined.  The thing that I am kinda against on the stool thingie is that it is only bloody seven inches above the floor.  I figure if it was at 36" or so, I should put this much time into it.  Cross my heart, hope die, I will finalize this by tomorrow after a couple beers. ;-)  This is semi-custom work; the semi and custom part is only by default because I'm doing it.

   DJ and Doug, please do post pics of trim; I've saved some from this board and have mimic'd some.  I've got to repost some of them as I forgot to footnote the installer/author.

   Edited 10/23/2003 11:51:00 PM ET by Wiley

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   DougU | Oct 25, 2003 05:01am | #11

   Wiley

   I tried to post some pics and had some problems.

   Maybe you have already solved this problem but I'm offering this anyhow.

   I drew a quick detail(I mean quick) of how I would handle this trim. Also is a pic(real one) of how the base stands proud of the caseing.

   
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   DougU | Oct 25, 2003 05:10am | #12

   here is the pic of the base, not the best example but the only one I can find at the moment

   
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   Wayfarer | Oct 26, 2003 07:43pm | #13

   Doug, not of your caliber (nice pics BTW) and some others here, but I cranked it out yesterday (see attached) and some trim around a couple more windows.  I decided to abandon the stool idea and don't think I'm really missing out.

   Oh, and I left 3/4" at the bottom of the trim.  I hope that is enough when I install some tile at the entry way; keeping fingers crossed.  Ripping out the "filler" under the glass block wouldn't be too much fun.

   Thanks again for the help gang...

   Edited 10/26/2003 12:49:26 PM ET by Wiley

   Edited 2/7/2004 3:23:06 PM ET by Wiley