Question for production finish carpenters:
How long would it take you to trim out a 450 sf hotel room (30′ x 15′) (basically a a box with a bathroom). Trim would include paint grade mdf (or pvc) crown & baseboard – aprox. 6″ high. Also what would your time be to hang a SCW pocket door, and to case an interior door that has a zero profile HM buck. Keep in mind you have 1000 rooms to do.
Edited 2/27/2008 12:21 pm ET by TGNY
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Hey Toni....long time no see. (You considering Jersey-Fest?)
I don't do production, or commercial work, so take that into account. But when pricing a paint grade trim job, I allow for 2 men @ 1 day per room. Obviously that will vary depending on features of of each room, and I adjust accordingly for those either greatly larger, or smaller rooms.
Dunno if that is of any help to you.....but it's a bump if nothing else.
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Jay, thanks for that. The rooms are pretty much a square box with a bump out for the bathroom and entry foyer. Fairly straight forward.I have meetings in Princeton on the 6th & 7th, which is right by Hightstown. Not sure if I'll have time to drive back on Saturday - too bad it wasn't Friday evening and it would be a definite for me. I'd like to meet up for a beer though.
Crown in the bathroom too?
No crown or base in the bathroom (would be ceramic base), so the trim would be only in the living quarters (a total of 90 lf).
For just the base and the crown, IMO, 2 guys could get two rooms done per day, or more once you got into the swing of things. This is based on me working alone on single jobs.
This assumes buying the trim in opitmal sizes, i.e. 16 footers, and that the rooms are relatively empty.
I'm also assuming someone else is painting it, correct?
Yes someone else is painting it, it just has to be paint ready.Thanks for the input JM.
Is the trim nailed or screwed? Makes a big time difference.
If it is PVC it can be glued, means and methods is up to the installer, but it is in a concrete frame with metal stud partitions.
What glue do you propose to use for PVC trim to drywall?
Edited 2/27/2008 8:56 pm ET by sledgehammer
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How do you propose to keep it in place as it expands?
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I haven't done a lot of trim, but I worked at a co. that did 2 motels. the key here is what is acceptable quality. the motels were gc'd by a southern co.. They saw the guys coping the corners and the men in charge told us to stop and just miter the corners. they had a guy with caulk go over every room and caulk everything befere painting. With 1000 rooms you had better be moving pretty quick. Ask them about schedule. 2 men 5 rooms a day was our limit, I seem to recall.
good luck
Are you looking for a price or a time? Depends on how easy it is to get from room to room ( other trades and construction clutter). Can I work down the hall room after room? I would think by your description one man( I'll be fair or woman) could knock out 2 rooms in an 8 hour day. Though I don't know what a "SCW " pocket door is. Hard to know without all the facts, length of stock, ceiling height, location for tools and material. 90 lnft of base should not take too long < hour, crown maybe 2hrs, pckt door <1.5hrs.
I'm just looking for time not a price. Thanks for the info.
SCW = Solid Core Wood (veneer) as opposed to HCL = Hollow Core Luan.
2 weeks!A lot depends... how's the super, will the materials be delivered in a timely manner, where are they kept, where's the cutting, how many floors, how well are the pocket doors framed, who's cleaning up, where's the dumpster, how many trades are we working around, where's the portable facilities, where's the smoke area, nearest bar...?I'm only asking, because we did a retirement/assisted living job of 400 rooms that was a logistic nightmare. A lot more to do than your job... but, the supers are the keys. If conditions are favorable: doors and base, 1 man 2 1/2 hrs tops, crown, 2 men 2 hrs.May go slightly faster.But, if this for the job in the Bahamas, that's a whole nudder time zone<G>Hey, hope you're doing well... see you in Indiana? Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,
Winterlude by the telephone wire,
Winterlude, it's makin' me lazy,
Come on, sit by the logs in the fire.
The moonlight reflects from the window
Where the snowflakes, they cover the sand.
Come out tonight, ev'rything will be tight,
Winterlude, this dude thinks you're grand.
Hey Holly, hope all is well with you too, not sure about PeachFest as I think we might be on Vancouver Island then. Unfortunately all your questions are unknowns at this time, but it will be CM'd by one of the big boys. Actually it is more like 3000 rooms over 5 buildings ranging from 8 stories to 25 stories. I imagine the fit-out package will be placed into each room and the cutting done right there. The daq-shack is across the street though, all the Kalik you can drink.
Things here are, I'm nursing along a spec... too bad tge GC is such a slacker<G>I know the Bahamian labor laws are tough for out of towners... how's that work on a big project like yours?... hey, maybe you could recruit some Amish if you hit Indiana... they've already got straw hats.Did you ever get over to Hope Town? Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,
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The moonlight reflects from the window
Where the snowflakes, they cover the sand.
Come out tonight, ev'rything will be tight,
Winterlude, this dude thinks you're grand.
<<..I think we might be on Vancouver Island then..>>Where are you headed?
Victoria for starters, then up island probably to Tofino.
You picked a good time. Spring is just breaking so warm and sunny though that can change pretty quick, birds are singing and the cherry blossoms should be out in Victoria. West Coast is at it's best with variable weather too; it's pretty spectacular on the beaches and accommodation, though obnoxiously priced, is still at shoulder season rates.Enjoy!
I won't be coming out till late July / early August though.
Tony, After 20 years of commercial carpentry, let me play "pain in the axx" for you.
1. is the material distributed or am I humping it from the loading dock?
2. adequate temp. light and power in place? Or every time two compressors start up, will I spend 20 minutes finding an electrician?
3. are other trades going to be fighting me for floor space? Are there laborers to clean the floors?
4. will there be enough miter saws (and stands to speed the work), nail guns, hoses, ladders and scaffolds, etc. for every crew to have their own. Or will the line at the saw look like a bakery on Sunday morning!
5. will they be able to lock up tools in place, securely, or spending 30 - 45 minutes every day setting up and knocking down to and from a remote central point.
6. You said ready for paint. Who is filling the holes and sanding?
7. is the wall for the pocket door framed with a rough opening? Am I building the pocket or is the door pre-hung? Am I going to rock it after it's in so I can trim it properly?
8. Do you still love me at this point! ;~)
Now let me take a stab at it.
Two man team, 2 rooms a day.
Pocket door with a knock down frame, adj., rock, and trim, about 1 to 1 1/2 hours. Probably get a little faster after the first 50 or so! (g)
Case two sides of a HM door, 15 minutes.
By the way, senco makes a hardend 15 gauge finish nail that'll go into most door bucks, and studs.
Hope this helps a little...buic
Hey Buic, how are you doing, you still on the island?When I was building I wish I could get all those answers up front;-}Given the fact that this would be a large commercial job run by a professional organization that does this kind of work, I would imagine most of the issues affecting efficiency would be in place to meet the CPM schedule.
Still in Wantagh. Had a minor health problem slow me down for a bit, but I'm good now.
Wife and I still aren't sure where we're going to land. Next week we're taking a road trip to northern Georgia to do some house hunting.
Is there a labor pool that's large and experienced enough to do 1000's of repetitions like that?
If you have any input, look into that Senco nail, it's a real time saver and holds great.
be well...pete
After your mention I had to look it up. Thanks.
http://www.senco.com/media/med_pr_04.asp
TGNY,
Since you brought it up about casing.... What do you think about this idea: "http://www.multichambernailgun.com/b2/"
Keep in mind it is still in the very rough stages. Any input is helpful.
Thank you. IBI AKA Michael
I always have a couple of guns set up anyway. It seems to me that picking up one or the other would be about as fast as switching over if they're in reach.
I usually have 2 guns when I'm doing trim. I haven't seen the one you posted in person so can't really comment on it, but like all multi-job tools, if it breaks then you can't do anything (assuming that was your only gun).