Need suggestions of fixtures etc for very small bath. Size Approximately 4′ x 4′. This will be a 1/2 bath (toilet and sink). As to why; it is being squeezed into a remodel of an office space and every inch counts.
Edited 8/8/2006 11:26 am ET by carver
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"for very small bath"
a full bath???
3/4 bath
1/2 bath
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A round toilet instead of an enlongated one. And a small pedestal sink.
I don't like powder rooms that small.
A: First he lies on one side, and then he lies on the other.
"I don't like powder rooms that small."it's hard to know if the seats up or not when you back in.
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First you said APPROXIMATELY.
When you are talking about space that size every inch is important.
Also where is the door? And can it be a pocket door? Or open outward.
Last week I worked in a house with a 1/2 bath that I am guessing was about 3 x 5 and it was big enough. outward opening door in the midle of one long wall. Toilet in one end and pedistal sink in the other.
Also there are corner sinks and corner toilets.
And a toilet with a sink over it that will fit in much smaller space.
In the past, have found a 16" corner sink at Fergusons. It's wall mount, iir, and comes out 16" along the two walls from the corner and then has a slightly rounded front. Perfect for your needs.
Check out the toilet on a Greyhound bus. Not even an airliner toilet is tighter.
It may work out better to just have the stool enclosed and place the sink on the outside wall. Otherwise, a wall-hung sink can free up a significant amount of room vs a vanity. Or consider a corner sink.
Whatever, add some grab bars. It can be difficult for even a healthy person to manage in a tight bathroom, and the grab bars will help keep folks from using towel rods, sink, etc, for support.
Mock up whatever you come up with (with cardboard walls, a foot stool for the toilet, etc) and have several people "use" it to see if it's reasonable.
Of course, be aware of code restrictions, and note that a handicapped accessible toilet (if needed) requires a 5-foot turning circle inside, among other things.
This 1/2 bath will be for use by only a few employees not for client use and certainly not for handicapped. Already have a bath for those folks.
certainly not for handicapped. Already have a bath for those folks
Better not, especially if this is commercial.
ADA is getting tough on "private" and/or "limited use" bathrooms of any kind.
And, since it's an offense to fire anyone for having any of the ADA disabilities, it's also illegal to not hire them, too. Which makes it very, very tough sledding to get non-accessible past the typically-required-for-commercial Accessibility Review.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
I hope that you are talking about a powder room, thats too small for a full bath.
Don't know what the exact specs are for a " powder room" but this certainly is not a full bath only a sink and a toilet.
As its just for an office, a sink that might work is a compact corner sink that can be found at an RV parts place. Bear in mind, these are quite small. And as mentioned earlier, a round toilet rather than an elogated one.
I'm just finishing a 3' x 5' bathroom, and it took some creativity to make it work, but its possible!
You all need to get out of the US more. In South America, the full tiled bathroom about that size, with toilet, sink, and shower is common. The catch? To take a shower, you stand between the sink and the toilet. The upside is that you can shower while dropping the kids off. Think of how much more work you could get done in a day. ;-)
I've worked in some houses with sinks about 9" deep by maybe 16" long.Wall hung toilet I need a dump truck, baby, to unload my head
The original post said bathroom.
If you're required a permit for this (and/or a plan) don't forget clearances for code requirements (i.e., toilet minimum of 15" from a side wall, same with the lav, 30" minimum o.c. between fixtures, 21" clearance from the front of a lav to any wall/fixture/door, etc.). You might use these dimensions to determine the size of your fixtures.
Get one of the toilet tank lids with a tiny lav on it - you don't have to buy a custom tank anymore. The water refilling the tank goes through a "fountain" lav that meets code.
They look cool; never had a chance to use one.
Forrest
Make certain that restroom does not need to be accessible. If so, a room that small most likely will not work per ADA codes.
The Kohler Parigi is the shallowest pedestal sink they make, at 14 inches of depth.
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I would like to see someone link us to a compact corner unit.
As others have said, you'll definitely want a round-bowl toilet, not one that is elongated.
And of course, an outswing door is a must.
Go down to the local boatyard and follow some of those examples, like as not.
With only 4 x 4, you're tight in just about every direction.
You could use a corner lav and a corner toilet, but, that'll be a bit of budget buster, and the bowl will be in the way of the lav more than a bit.
Like as not, what you will probably want to do is a wall-mounted lave on one wall, and a short (round) toilet on the opposite wall. For storage, use a wall cabinet over the toilet--though, open shelves might seem less "crowded" in such a small space (but are much harder to "sell" to the distaff side sometimes).
Oh, and there's a 2-0 door swinging into this space, too, right?
Is it 4 x 4 before or after you furred out one wall for the DWV for the toilet? ("Losing" 3-4" is under-fun, BTDT.)
Sorry don't know what DWV is.
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From a planset sold by ArchitecturalHousePlans.com, here is the main floor of this Robert Knight design. The house has been built per the planset at least twice. See the 48 x 48 powder room?
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You want compact try this. You should also look at how bathrooms are laid out in RV's.
http://www.646industries.com/beyond_b/archives/2004/02/the_toiletsink.html
How bout one of those prison combo sink/toilets? They're made out of stainless so it would match up nice with the nickel hardware that everybody's using these days.
Very expensive - $4500
Yeah, but it'll match the nickel door knob.
Worth every penny right.
Just feeling it a little. Current bathroom job (new rough in in basement) went from shower to tub to shower and from ceramic tile to slate. Then my tile guy disappears so I had to get another which will now cost me. Woo Hoo!
I've had to use lots of small bathrooms. One of the best things you can do is design the entire floor to act as a shower pan. Oh, you still have a shower curtain, but you won't be banging up against walls every time you turn. You can usually locate the TP holder where any overspray won't reach it.
The pedestal sink is a winner as well. You're going to lean on the sink- trust me, you will- and the pedestal takes the weight- so you avoid breaking the seal with the wall, and causing rot.
Another detail to consider is placing a soap dish directly above the receptacle.... as a way of keeping spray away from it.
I would forget about storing stuff under the sink- there's never much usable space there anyway- and plan on shelves starting around 4'6". The lower ones are narrow - as narrow as 4"- and get wider as you go higher. I would not go wider than 12" deep, though; you waste too much space. Your highest shelf should not be higher than 6'6".
One advantage to vinyl flooring is that the installer can "wrap" it up the walls, making a rounded joint between floor and wall. This will be much easier to keep clean.
I find wire shelves best; they let light pass through.. and a small bath can seem dark all too easy.
Light and fan switches ought to be near the door, OUTSIDE the bathroom. Indeed, if the layout allows, consider not having a door (that must swing), but a partition that blocks view.
Lighting design is critical. As I see it, a bath needs lights to do many things, and just might benefit from several small lights, rather than one big one.
When you step out of the shower, you want to step on to a warm floor. A heat lamp, recessed into the ceiling OUTSIDE the shower works well for this. Put it on a timer switch.
The toilet needs two lights. A 4" recessed light placed directly above the front edge give good reading light- but you will also want a small, dim night light as well.
The sink needs a natural color light, placed so as to light up your face in the mirror. With a bit of experimenting, you can place the light so that it bounces off the mirror, yet doesn't blind you. This might be a place for a track light- so you can adjust to make it work best.
The fan - and yes, even if there is a window, there ought to be a fan- ought to be a QUIET one. And, since a fan needs fresh air, consider a grill in the door.
Finally, consider thinking "outside the bath." I have seen places where the sink was in a separate alcove near the bath; other places grouped the sink and toilet in on room, and the shower in another. Nowhere is it written that these all must be in the same room.
<Nowhere is it written that these all must be in the same room>
Ummm - I think residential code requires a lav in a room with a toilet?
Forrest
Not sure it has to be in the same room.
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Define ROOM?LOTS of house with the toilet is a separate "compartment" off the remainder of the bathroom.
A BI explained to me once that a person has to be able to pass through a closable door, be able to close it for privacy, use the toilet, and have access to a lav, all within the closed "private" area.
A lav in a bedroom outside the bath proper passes the test (close the bedroom door), but not a toilet cubicle off the kitchen, using the sink.
It bit me once on a remodel design in MD. I wanted a toilet and shower in a small room right past the laundry sink. BI said no, I talked to the BI dept at length, but no go.
Forrest
This is a private bath in a professional office. No ADA codes apply - it is not the only bath or even the second, it is the third. Need only toilet, sink, lighting, exhaust fan, out swing door, toilet paper holder. No storage requirements nor shower/bath, hot water available already. Looked into toilet/sink combos but SS is very expensive, others may be hard to get. Also the bath is being designed and installed by the owners as GC with subs where needed. We have a 4 x 4 space. Satellite office has bath with hot water heater in 53" x 51" ( outside dimensions with standard 2x4 stud walls).
Am thinking toilet and sink on same wall.
have anybody notice those sinks at blowes that hang on the wall. in a small bathromm that get rid of the vanity.
Install a pocket sliding door instead of a standard one - won't intrude on your already scant space.
A small tankless water heater can supply hot water without taking up much valuable space.
BruceT