Gentlemen; A friend told me not to put vinyl siding over tar paper.
At some point in time I will probably be putting vinyl in place of the masonite hardboard siding that is presently on the house. I would prefer to not have to take off the tar paper also. Which is best? Remove masonite AND tar paper or Will I be ok to put vinyl over the tarpaper? This is in the northeast, Maine.
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What was his basis for saying this?
Personally I would install tar paper and put whatever exterior finish you want. I have never heard of issues with vinyl & tar paper.
Jon Blakemore
RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
1. If the original siding "system" used tar paper.
2. and the house has no moisture, mold, rot issues.
3. I'd be staying with tar paper.
Keep it simple...Buic
We do it alot around here, I do it mostly on remodels. Once in a while on new construction.
Ice and water shield even gets siding over it, alot of the times we run our dry in materials up the walls then shingle over it when we get there.
Can't you hear the violin playing your song.
Tarpaper will shed water and last almost forever if you keep it out of the sun.
Much better than Tyvek IMO, but I do not want to discuss...
Vinyl siding over TP is done and has been done for decades.
Your friend is a tradesman speaking from a personal experience?
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Gord
Yes to tar paper, but tar paper isn't what it used to be. 15# felt is neither felt or 15# anymore. We use "Grade D" paper. Two layers, made for side walls.
Yeah, now they call it #15 instead of 15#, and it weighs about 13# per square. But it's still asphalt saturated rag felt.
I took a nailed-on deck ledger off a house a couple of days ago. About 20 years old and the T1-11 siding was completely soft. There was 15# felt behind the T1-11 and the framing was in near-perfect condition. With Tyvek there I would have expected some framing damage.
some vynal mfgrs say no to felt...
check with yours to be safe..
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I got to go with Imerc on this,
the mfdrs tell you that the heat build up behind the vynal with tar paper can warp the product, some also say in high heat areas the tar itself can bleed through and stain the vynal. Vince Carbone
Thanks guys!
He is a very good part time carpenter. His reasoning is possible staining and heat buildup. Being in Maine I cant imagine heat would be to big a factor. But i will check with the manufacturer and go with their recommendations.
everytime the sun hits it you will get heat build up..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
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I have no knowledge of this, but I would have a concern about staining. In reality, it's probably OK.
are you saying staining is okay????Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Staining is not OK. I think it is only a remote possibility.
chemical interaction and heat and it will stain...
sometime it spots or marbles.. other times it grays or looks like mold.....
it's a mfgr's call if you can put felt under it..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Would you use fanfold over tarpaper, or tyvek, or skip the tarpaper alltogether?
felt would be 1st choice if I can have it..
don't like Tyveck...
not familiar with fanfold...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Fanfold is that thin foam sheet that comes folded up. They put it on everything here, new or old, that gets vinyl. Must be a midwestern thing.
backer board or leveler....
I'll take that over tyvek...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Try Hardie plank- looks like wood- does not look like Vinyl which of course looks like ....vinyl
"some vynal mfgrs say no to felt.."But it is ok to use felt with VINYL siding <VBG>.[ps I have to use google to verify the spelling]http://www.vinylsiding.org/aboutsiding/installation/faqs/"A: Your main goal in preparing the walls of the structure is to ensure a flat, even surface. On any project, remember to install flashing before starting to apply siding.New Construction :
Before you begin installing vinyl siding in a new construction project, VSI recommends the following: * Apply a weather-protective barrier, such as house wrap or felt paper.
* Check local building codes for additional requirements.
* Place drywall inside the house, on the floor of the room where it's going to be applied, to allow for floor-plate compression, which, if not addressed, can result in buckled siding where the floor meets the wall.Residing :
Before you begin construction on a residing project, VSI recommends the following: * Nail down loose boards on existing siding and replace rotten ones.
* Scrape off loose caulk and re-caulk around windows, doors, and other areas to prevent moisture penetration.
* Remove all protrusions such as gutters, downspouts, and light fixtures.
* Check all walls for evenness and install furring strips where necessary.For more information, refer to page 16 of VSI's installation guide.
http://www.vinylsiding.org/publications/Installation_Manual_english.pdf "
didn't make sense to me...
but it's felt anyways then...
"not my house" syndrome????Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
what spellin' would that be...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
If the tarpaper is directly behind the siding eventually at the weep holes there will be visable staining from tar paper residue, but it washes off just looks bad.
DAVE
Thanks guys! Seems to be a mix of answers!
I have thought of using Hardie type siding. but the cost is quite a bit more and with one daughter in College and a a son headed to college this fall..... The money pit will probably get vinyl siding.
For some reason? When they built this raised ranch , they used 3 layers of felt per course. Which means at every overlap there are 6 layers of paper. It does seem to be a thicker felt than what is presently made. This was built in early 70's.