I was going through my dearly departed’s tools and found this. It has “Record 153” cast in it, but i can’t find anything from Google about what function it serves. The Record brand tells me it was made in England, likely used in woodworking, and the toothed cams are certainly meant to grip something.
No nibbles at Knots so far, so i’m casting a wider net. Any help here from the alzh…er…oldtimers?
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Hey splintergroupie, my best guess is that it has someting to do with clamping iron pipe as in a pipe vise.
Any other clues? -- does that make any sense?
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Closest I've seen similar is a tire iron 'shortener'.
The square part fits in the hardie hole of an anvil or other holding device, the iron tire for a wagon or other antique type spoked wheel is put betweenthe bar at the top and the toothed wheel (tire iron red hot of course), and the tire iron shortened to get and exact shrink fit onto the wooden wheel when it is put on and doused with water.
PS: I dont have one of those though <:(
Edited 4/16/2006 6:00 am ET by junkhound
I'm pretty sure it's for clamping up floorboards.The curved notched parts bite into the floor joist and then the lever is tightened to clamp the board up.
i'd bet with tomas
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A company called Record makes (made?) planes, chisels, and other woodworking tools.
If you can find them on the internet, you may be able to identify that dohickey.
It might be a flooring tool. Can you post it at a flooring forum? By the way, I can't figgure what it could possibly do.
Also, I'm very sorry for your loss of Ian. I remember thinking something else was up for him to come from England to your home just to finish a floor. I'm glad you found so much happiness together, if only for a very short time.
commonly known as an 'Instagator'' it was a step up from the wheel in manhoods evolutionary progress. Being as it was wonce used to tighten the windlass on a sailing rig with at least 3 masts.
Hoisting a main and jib on a 3 M Schooner, requires a lot of leveraged advantage..the ratchetted gearing was the driveing force behind the Parrot and patch.
Edit: upon futher fathers, it is a "compelier" a compelling device, to asist in the raiseing of the main sail, while under way.
The French navy stole it from the Brits at Gibralter, used it extensivly in our war for independance, when the big flags flew oer the bloodshed.
Lest us nat talk ye o the hoisting o the maen that dyed the wool, the yard arem is long and the bodies are meany..cannon shot.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
You gotta be kidding me ..Jorge is @ what %? Now?
Edited 4/16/2006 11:22 am ET by Sphere
I almost believed you you dolt...should I kill you now or later?????
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Andy, Sphere invented a new use for this tool: pulling our legs. I think i heard my back pop on that one! Thanks for all the WAGs and esp the diagnosis, everyone. Serendipity reigns: i offered to help a galpal lay down the boards for her deck since her contractor got paid up front and no longer shows an interest in completing the job. I've normally wedged off a driven nail to close up boards since i don't do decks very often, but this tool gets to go for a ride in the pickup today! (If it ever stops raining...)If anyone is interested, i'm selling quite a few of Ian's and my tools in the interest of lightening my physical and metaphysical loads. When we married our fortunes and tool collections, there were a lot of duplications, so i've made a very preliminary list in Knots (hand tool folder) of a few of the hand planes/spokeshaves i'll be turning loose of. It would be nice if the tools got dispersed to folks in the biz for a reasonable amount instead of resorting to ebay auctions.
Acutally sail boats does use cleats with dogs similar to what is on the vise.So while he was making all of that up, but there a very, very, very very, smal amount of truth in it.
I've lived my whole life on [very] dry land, so it was quite a thrill recently to tag along with some divers off Vancouver Island. The captain told me that sailboat folks are always looking for weight, so i thought if i loitered with intent, i might could snag a ride or two, learn the ropes...and clamps.
Thanks a load Bill..LOL I could not have come up with such a tale, without a least little bit of truth..I don't lie easily, and SG is a DEAREST Soul to me.
And that's the truth.. phwatt!
Btw, so are you a kindred type.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
You gotta be kidding me ..Jorge is @ what %? Now?
Gotta admit..that was fun.
Kille me for I just scored a nightnmare of Chinese steel in the mishappen shape of a tractor cart..ever put one of them together in the rain?
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
You gotta be kidding me ..Jorge is @ what %? Now?
http://www.toolfastdirect.co.uk/acatalog/
record_flooring_clamp_large.JPGjavascript:ShowPopUp('info%5ftb53e%2ehtml',400,350);
http://www.toolfastdirect.co.uk/acatalog/Irwin_Record_Flooring_Clamps_mfc153.html
http://shopping.kelkoo.co.uk/ctl/do/search?currentPage=13&siteSearchQuery=record+tools
Found it through this neat web feature called Google! I just typed in "record tools" and viola!
What a cool feature! Wish I thought of it.
Frankie
There he goes—one of God's own prototypes—a high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.
—Hunter S. Thompson
from Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
Frankie, i've got underwires with more hang time than you, so be nice to your doddering elders.You missed the part in my post where i said i'd googled. Thanks for the links, but they didn't come up on my query for "Record 153" and similar terms that i used, a techinique that has worked well for the several thousand dollars' worth of hand planes and other tools my darlin' collected that i'm lately pricing and selling. I'm not lazy, but nether does anything shrivel when i ask for help. Capice?
OUCH! I looked for the company/ manufacturer rather then the particular tool. I guess that made the difference. Had to scroll through their product catologue though so it wasn't that direct, but I found it on page 9 or so.I meant no disrespect, just being sarcastic since it was so easy.FrankieThere he goes—one of God's own prototypes—a high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live and too rare to die.—Hunter S. Thompson
from Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
Ja...the target i was trying to hit was pretty large, too. <G>Thanks for your help, sincerely. The Irwin connection baffles me...i don't know enough about hand tools, but i'd thought Rubbermaid bought/destroyed Record.
Just saw in the link that that puppy is over $200 new. Look up a flooring contractor in your area, you should be able to get $50 I reckon.
"Look up a flooring contractor in your area"Hmmmmm...like cyberspace? <G>If anybody here wants it for that amount, let me know.
I'd be interested to know if anyone did have a use for it. Wood floors mostly go over a subfloor, no.
That tool looks like it would be useful for the old cardecking or whatever they used to call it, that was nailed right down to the timbers or joists. (that part of my memory is foggy at the moment). Cardecking, car something anyway. Used in all the old warehouses around here.
"Let's get crack-a-lackin" --- Adam Carolla
My house, built about 75 years ago, has hardwood over 1" X 8" subfloor (laid at a 45deg. angle to the walls) on the first floor, but just nailed to the joists on the second. I've seen that a lot in older houses. With planked subfloor, you can just lever off the cracks between planks to tighten up boards, but that tool would be pretty handy for laying flooring directly on joists.
Mike Hennessy
Pittsburgh, PA
>>"that tool would be pretty handy for laying flooring directly on joists.
Yup, that what it's for. I get that.
What I'm asking is does anyone actually do that anymore.
Only thing I can think of is that cardecking (still can't remember is that's exactly what it's called) used in all the old warehouses around here. That tool would be useful for repairing such a floor (a lot of the warehouses are being converted to loft condos).
Anyway this cardecking stuff is t&g planks about 4" to 6" wide and about 2" to 3" thick.
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Edited 4/17/2006 1:48 pm ET by philarenewal
I measured the distance from the joist to the underside of the lip which hooks over the top of the board that is being forced over. The distance is just over 1-1/2", so i don't suppose it was meant for anything of the thickness of your cardecking. It could be modified to work, but it wasn't designed for thicker than 1-1/2" timbers.
"What I'm asking is does anyone actually do that anymore."Yup, last large job I did was a rebuild of a 300 year old farmhouse. Upstairs was 6" TnG laid over the joists, had to replace around 30% of that. Downstairs laid 1,250 sqft of new 6" oak TnG over joists.On most new houses and additions we lay sub floors but occasionally we still lay TnG
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Very nice looking work.
How thick does it have to be w/ no subfloor?
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I don't see any reason it could'nt be used to straighten an errant deck board, it might be over kill, but for 50 bucks it would impress any novice watching. By the way I would have believed SPHERE's little story except the gadget wasn't chrome and no sail boat I know would be caught adrift without chrome implements.
As much as this thingamee weighs, i bet it could qualify as anchor material.
it does look hefty, but i'd still have to get it chromed
the floor boards were about 7/8" laid over joists at 16" centers
My husband did hardwood floors for a living for the 14 years he resided in Australia, but i would reckon he picked this up in his native England before then. He did mostly fancy parquet work in Oz, but since this thread started i remembered a conversation he and i had about laying strip hardwood flooring directly over joists in England, dispensing with a subfloor. I remember kidding him about their flyweight houses as they also use dimension timber like 2x3 for rafters, something wholly unacceptable in the US where we have more natural resources to 'waste'.
flyweight houses!!?How can you call houses built with internal concrete block walls and external brick walls, using slate or tiles on the roof flyweight, especially when you compare them to houses built with a single 2 by 6 skin and shingles on the roof.The reason we use 3x2 or 4x2 rafters is we don't have the wood resources you guys have over there, but then we do know how to build them strong enough to survive anything the British weather can throw at them.
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Thats one nicely bent ridge, bet it's still weather tight and I bet it's lasted longer than any new house that you'll build. ;)
Weather tight??? "Lasted"??? That may pass for weather tight in a country where the humidity comes in shapes, but in my country, we don't gather 'round the telly in our oilskins and jumpers, no sirree.
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Nah, a pic i grabbed off the web, but i saw a lot like it. The "Black and White" half-timbered ones were the most amazing fun-houses, walls in wind a foot-and-a-half, windows and doors shimmed and trimmed to fit the collapsing/distorted openings.
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something you deffinetly keep yur fingers and toes out of...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"something you deffinetly keep yur fingers and toes out of..."Maybe...not. I was on a ferry from Victoria and picked up a tabloid paper someone had left behind. There were personal ads on the last page, one of which sounded just my type except for an insistence on an affinity for D/s. Being the innocent flower i am, i had to look up that particular abbreviation when i got to a computer again.It could be i'm just marketing to the wrong audience.
for way too little money too..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Having not only seen but used this tool (in pairs) for flooring over open joists, I can assure you that the tool displayed is the genuine article. Record chose to use a square profiled screw to apply the cramping pressure, as in their bench vices. The two eccentric toothed spring-loaded cams gripped the sides of the joist to buttress the screwing pressure.
If you examine the extreme ends of the cams, you will find that theye are somewhat burred where the operator belted the cams to increase the
"bite" on the joist.
The more popular style in use here used a long lever with a toothed prop
to apply the pressure. It was quicker (meaning better production = more
$$ for piece work rates), and was a lot easier on the back.
I wonder what he did with the other one of the pair?
Lapun.
I'll be on the lookout for it, now that i know...no telling what i haven't found yet. I just found a largish set of 1/2" sockets/drivers/extendions that will come in handy if i have to do some wrenching on my pink bulldozer. Apparently he thought he'd have a difficult time getting stained-glass solder in the States...there must be 20# of it in one of the toolboxes he shipped here.
You should have no trouble cashing in on the leadlight lead - keep a lookout also for the black colouring for the putty.Lapun.
Its A FLOORING CRAMP FOR PUSHING T&G FLOOR BOARDS TOGETHER REGARDS FROM MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA
THANKS!
It was a pleasure regards John Bolton