I am tearing off a 30 year off cedar deck. It was buit minimally in the first place. And railing is is only 3 pieces of 2×4.
So I looked at the amount lumber used and figured the cf for the decking, the joist, etc.
And then increased that number by 50%.
For a 10 x30 deck I came up with 6 cu yd.
Does that sound reasonable.
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William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid – Shoe
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid – Shoe
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I come up with about 11-12 cu ft
Might be more depending on how it goes in. Might be less if it has a free wood sign at the curb
"I come up with about 11-12 cu ft"Based on what? Do you think that my basic calculations are wrong? That my 50% increase is wrong? Based on Experience? Not saying that you are wrong, but just want more of a grounding.And I have some other stuff. And from what I have seen the upgrade is size is not that too costly. But I have limited space..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
Based on experience I'll bet that if you get a 10 you'll wish you had a 20. It would be a lot of work getting it in a 6. I've never had a half filled dumpster.
Now I gotta give up my estimating secrets??? I get paid for my opinion around these parts. (well, not too much)
300 SF divide by 27 cu ft/yd. 11.11 yds.
just my Scrapr math. I know it's not correct. But, it doesn't fit in the container/truck with zero air space.
My super duper estimating if I get to look at the pile. First look. Figure how much. Say 10 yds. Then I double that. 20 yds. It's closer that way then my initial guess
Looked at a job Friday. 12-15 yds. HO calls. Asks to add some. I'm OK with that. I had estimated an extra hour in there. We came out with 12 yds wood and 19 yds trash
Based on experience, if you're out in the boonies and the dumpster fills up too fast, a match will generally yield much more volume within a couple of hours.
Or so I've heard.Real trucks dont have sparkplugs
Hears is what I figured. Decking 10 x 30 x 2" thick. => 50 cu ft.joist 24, 2 x 8 10 ft long => 43 cu ft. (I did make a mistake on this one had 27 cf written down)Railing 3 pieces 2x4 x 50 ft (30 across the front and 10 on each end) => 8.33 cfLedger and rimjoist 2 2x8 - 30 ft long => 7 cfPost 4 4x4 14 ft long => 6 cf.Adding all of that up is 114 cf or 4.2 cy. Rounding that gives 5.And 50% increase for not neatly stacking give 7.5.I guess that the real question is the 50% number..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
You can't pack debris into a space 1.5x its actual volume... it just never goes in that tight.
What would you suggest, 100%..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
Yes, double or more.
Are you paying by volume or by weight? I can get a 20 yard box on the job for a small minimum fee, it's the weight that makes up the majority of the cost.
I think both.I wanted to get some idea of the size until I started checking around.I gather it is both. I found one online source of a national listing, that I think was just a commission front for different local contractors. But they showed, that for my area $350 for 10 and 15 cy units adn $400 for a 20.But they had also showed a weight limit for each and there would be upcharges if higher.But I would not use them. I am planing on going direct.And I believe that there is typically a fixed rental and delivery charge and then a weight charge..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
Bill
You might check around for a construction clean up service. HBA or whatever. Not the 800 got junk type. They are about double what I typically charge. They are oriented more toward the HO.
Our 20 yd pick up would run about $250. With good access.
There have been scraprs in every town I've been in.
I ended up with a 15 yd. $210 for upto 10 days.But I only have it for 2. Which is good because the mailman left me a "nasty note" about blocking the mail box. It did not end up exactly where I wanted it for several reason. One of which, while it was shorter than I thought, the door swing took more space that I though. Several people said that 15 yd'r was 15 ft. But this was 12 and the side 4.5 ft high. And I used 14.5 yd of it. I loaded up the stuff that I already had from replacing some stairs. Looks like it took about 2-3 yds.
Then the deck.Then some siding and "fake balcony" that was also removed. Hard so say, but I am thinkking it was about 2-3 yds, also.They stiffed on the first deliver time. Was suppose to be delivered on Monday. They they call me saying that they where here, but that they where not allowed in because they are overlaying the road. Friday that they had done one side of the street and that morning they where doing the other half.So I walked to where they where and they had just started. Since he waited until he got back to the office to have them call me I could tell that they would not have even been paving when he would have gone through.Anyway they told me that they told him to go on. But he kept saying, Oh, I will be in your way, And, repeated that he could go on in.And a couple of hours later I saw what large semi come through. I think that it was 50 or 60 ft long. A truck like that is very, very hard to get through these roads in the best of conditions. But he manage to even get around the paving machine. But they had to flag traffic and guided him through. .
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
"joist 24, 2 x 8 10 ft long => 43 cu ft. (I did make a mistake on this one had 27 cf written down)"
I think you had it right the first time:
(24*2*8*120)/1728=26.67
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
On my 3x5 card where I wrote down the items I put 2x8 16 oc because I KNEW that they where 10 ft long.So when I redid them I saw the 16 and without thinking used that as the lenght.Took me a couple of minutes to figure out where I made the mistake..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
Yep, but I always order a 10 yarder!
Cedar?
I'd get a burn barrel.
You need at least a 10 yard container.I came up with 210 cubic feet packing every thing tight, which is nearly impossible. This gave me 7 3/4 yards. I used to pay the same whether the container was 10yds or 40 yds for the initial fee. The cost of the container depended on the waste weight and type,besides the initial fee.
For your job I would order a 20 yarder.
mike
Bill, if this job isn't on the clock, and you have the time/inclination to futz around, I'd guess you could probably fit that into a 10. Just. Tho' you may have to overfill it a bit. (Check with your hauler to see if that's a problem. With some, it is; with some it ain't.) Also check if your hauler charges for excess weight. If you pack it tight, and they upcharge, you may as well get the 20 to start with.
But even if it doesn't all fit, and you have a bit left over, you'll probably need another box at the end of the job to haul off the other construction leftovers anyway.
A tip to fill a dumpster to the max: cut all your scrap lumber to just fit *widthwise* (if you stack lengthwise, you'll get a lot of air, especially if the back of the box is slanted, like with a liftoff box), and start stacking neatly in the far end. Save the little stuff for the top of the load, or the really little stuff to pack into spaces that develop as you fill.
I too have been forced to go with smaller boxes due to acess restrictions, so I've gotten pretty good at dumpster packing. Although it almost never fails in some neighborhoods that you spend a day packing thing up neatly, and you find that someone comes by overnight and fills the rest with sofas, washing machines and refridgerators. ;-(
That said, if I have the room, the extra work required to neatly pack a small dumpster really isn't worth the relatively small price increase to bump up to the next size. And like somebody else said, you almost never half-fill a dumpster.
Mike Hennessy
Pittsburgh, PA
Everything fits, until you put glue on it.
A word of advice from the Great Sphinx.
Roll off container size? Always always always order a size up from what you conservatively figured.