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   Robert_Macaione | May 04, 2001 07:48pm | #1

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   Mike,

   The way you descibe it, it sounds like an architrave...Not sure on the spelling!

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   Allyson_Stiles | May 04, 2001 08:24pm | #2

   *Robert,An architrave would be one of two things. Either a decorative moulding going around a framed opening such as a door or window. It's also the lowest member of an entablature, resting originally upon columns, such as on a portico.Billy

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   Allyson_Stiles | May 04, 2001 08:30pm | #3

   *Mike,I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Robert's answer could be right. Can you explain better or post a picture?Billy

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   Allyson_Stiles | May 04, 2001 08:37pm | #4

   *The entablature consists of the architrave, frieze, and cornice. Going from the bottom up in that order and as I said rests upon colums. The pediment is the triangular gable end on a building of classic type or a similar form used decoratively. It consists of the tympanum, or triangular wall surface, enclosed below by the horizontal cornice and above by the raking cornice, which follows the slope of the roof.

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   Robert_Macaione | May 04, 2001 08:49pm | #5

   *There you go, Bill! Pictures!

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   Jeff_Clarke_ | May 04, 2001 09:00pm | #6

   *While may be proper to refer to individual members of a closed cornice as fascia, soffit and architrave, the specific instance described is known as ab pent eave.Jeff

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   Allyson_Stiles | May 04, 2001 09:12pm | #7

   *Jeff,I don't think that is what he is asking. A pent eave basically just refers to an eave that is closed in anyways. Now, if he'd just come back and clarify.Billy

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   Anthony_Colman | May 04, 2001 09:42pm | #8

   *In the classical revival vocabulary, it's always called the entablature, even where it forms the base of a pediment (though here, the crowning cyma is used on the raking cornices only, and not on the horizontal cornice below the tympanum). There is no more specific term for it when it's present.It's when that piece is not there, and when returns are used, that we do have a name for it, i.e. the "broken" pediment.

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   Allyson_Stiles | May 04, 2001 09:47pm | #9

   *Very good Anthony. I forgot to mention the broken pediment. I would also like to see Mike's reply. Billy

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   GACC_DAllas | May 04, 2001 11:37pm | #10

   *I believe they call it "trim".Sorry, I couldn't resist.Belt cornice maybe?Ed.

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   Jeff_Clarke_ | May 05, 2001 12:02am | #11

   *No, a pent eave can join the ends of two sloping roofs and may have roof material on top. Here is a porch example.N'est pas?Jeff

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   Dan_Metzcus | May 05, 2001 12:36am | #12

   *LOL

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   Joseph_Fusco | May 05, 2001 01:23am | #13

   *Mike,

   By simple definition the piece you refer to is the cornice.

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    Mike_Maines_ | May 05, 2001 05:13am | #14

    *Thanks guys, I worked late and it's date night so I haven't had a chance to check back--I think pent eave is the term I'm looking for, as it is covered in roof shingles and it's not a strictly classical-looking building. I'll try to find a picture and post it tomorrow--Mike

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    Mike_Maines_ | May 06, 2001 04:50am | #15

    *OK, here it is, what would you guys call this detail? (Besides "trim"--thanks Ed.!)Mike

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    GACC_DAllas | May 07, 2001 01:19am | #16

    *I still don't know Mike, but I bet someone around here has a book on old architectural terms. Beautiful house. I love that style.Ed.

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    Allyson_Stiles | May 07, 2001 01:21am | #17

    *The correct term for everything inside the circle is the entablature. Or for practical purposes, just call it cornice.Billy

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    Joseph_Fusco | May 07, 2001 02:39am | #18

    *Mike. . .,

    Eaves. . . .

    View Image © 1999-2001"The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it." Aristotle

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    Cal_Howard | May 07, 2001 02:51am | #19

    *Mike- Looks like it has elements of the Queen Ann style. See if Pent roof rings a bell. Cal

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    Jeff_Clarke_ | May 07, 2001 03:06pm | #20

    *Mike, pent eave or gable-end eave is fine. I've always liked the Queen Anne detail of 'kicking' second-story shingles out over a belt course with siding below. Anything to shed water ...Jeff

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    Jeff_Clarke_ | May 07, 2001 03:08pm | #21

    *No, a pent roof is a complete roof section without supports, generally right above the first floor ceiling line.Jeff

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    Mike_Maines_ | May 07, 2001 10:16pm | #22

    *Thanks for the help. Now I won't have to make up a name for it. Mike

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   Mike_Maines_ | May 07, 2001 10:16pm | #23

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   I think I used to know the proper term but I forget. On a Greek Revival or Shingle Style house gable wall, what's the piece that makes up the bottom part of the pediment? As if the cornice returns went all the way across the wall?

   Mike