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   Snort | Mar 14, 2008 05:26am | #1

   Sounds like a Dirt ball Builder, using other peoples time & Money.

   Maybe not anymore<G>

   Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,

   Winterlude by the telephone wire,

   Winterlude, it's makin' me lazy,

   Come on, sit by the logs in the fire.

   The moonlight reflects from the window

   Where the snowflakes, they cover the sand.

   Come out tonight, ev'rything will be tight,

   Winterlude, this dude thinks you're grand.

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   bobbys | Mar 14, 2008 07:21am | #2

   Instant karmas gonna get you

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   billybatts | Mar 14, 2008 07:36am | #3

   Karma got Africa good!

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   susiekitchen | Mar 20, 2008 01:19am | #4

   Aren't we all just crying over this guy???

   The worst thing we do when someone doesn't pay is remove all the drawers and doors on the cabinets until they do.

   Actually doesn't always work...one builder actually had the designer at Lowe's call us to get the doors for her. Then the builder sold the house, and he told the owner we had the doors and to call us for them. It wasn't pretty when owner found out we were never paid.

   Have one builder now who has closed a house without paying...thinking of doing the same kind of damage as these "vandals", only on his physical person!

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   DougU | Mar 20, 2008 04:16am | #6

   The worst thing we do when someone doesn't pay is remove all the drawers and doors on the cabinets until they do.

   That may work where you're at but here it would get me in trouble with John Law, thats not to say I wouldnt do it, just that I cant do it................legally.

   Doug

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   Snort | Mar 20, 2008 07:41pm | #13

   Here, you can't legally pull things out that have been fastened in... I like the doors and drawer removal... hooray for clip hinges<G> Winterlude, Winterlude, my little daisy,

   Winterlude by the telephone wire,

   Winterlude, it's makin' me lazy,

   Come on, sit by the logs in the fire.

   The moonlight reflects from the window

   Where the snowflakes, they cover the sand.

   Come out tonight, ev'rything will be tight,

   Winterlude, this dude thinks you're grand.

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   susiekitchen | Mar 20, 2008 08:02pm | #15

   Yeah, I can see where it could run afoul of the law. However, the next time I even have an inkling that the builder is going to be an ####, those puppies are getting loaded into my van and the builder gets to speak to my attorney (as soon as I find one!).

    

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   shelternerd | Mar 20, 2008 05:25am | #8

   One of my old bosses back in the day was a little on the tenuously holding on to his business end of things, chronically broke, always paying the final bills on one house off the first draw on the next, fairly standard stuff, not a bad guy but a little oily, always just a shade too happy to see people.Anyway he must have tripped the alarms on our septic tank guy because instead of a combination wye and 1/8 bend on the main clean out for the house he installed a 4" test tee, with a piece of 3" pipe resting in it. He still hadn't gotten paid when the house closed and the folks moved in. They had a huge house warming party the first weekend and of course the TP hung up on that chunk of pipe and the bosses phone rang. He called the septic installer who calmly offered to come fix it right away if the boss would meet him with a check for the money he was owed. Boss handed him his check and he pulled about three feet of 3" pipe out of the clean-out and the toilet was fine. Not sure if there was any damage done to the bathroom floor, I think not from the way I heard it. Kind of reminded me of the old stories we used to hear about the yankee brick masons laying a sheet of glass in the chimney but this one I know actually happened. A friend of my wifes now owns that house and we went over there a while back for a new years party. Strange to walk into the house all those years later and remember the painter painting all the plastic double bubble skylights and having to replace them and all the images of the building of the house.------------------

   "You cannot work hard enough to make up for a sloppy estimate."

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   susiekitchen | Mar 20, 2008 07:55pm | #14

   Great story!

   Isn't it amazing that some people just can't do the right thing the first time around??

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   HammerHarry | Mar 20, 2008 02:23am | #5

   What I can't quite get straight is, there is a reference to the homeowner and to the builder.  If they are not the same person, and the homeowner is paying the builder as per his terms, then the subs should go to prison.

   The subs beef is with the builder, not necessarily with the homeowner, and depending on the situation, they may have caused the homeowner great expense for something they have no control over.

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   frenchy | Mar 20, 2008 04:44am | #7

   G80104

    In 17 years we were flat out cheated twice.. both times were deals that I didn't approve but by mistake were set up on a charge basis..

     Sometimes we had to waita bit before we got paid byut in most of those cases we worked with the contractor and knew the full details almost as soon as he did..

    One time all my alarm bells went off and I went out and watched the contractor  from a distance try to take our equipment to a remote farm.. I called the delivery truck and the police next..

     

     

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   Matt | Mar 20, 2008 02:21pm | #9

   seems like insurance might pay for most of that...

   Based on that assumption, sounds like somebody maybe got quite a bit of satisfaction, but other than that, I'm not really sure what was to be gained from any side...  If it truly is a dirt ball builder, this will probably make the builder just feel more justified in the way he does people...  You can't teach people ethics...    First thing He'll do is try to get the ins company to pay out more than it's really worth.

   Personally though, I try and live the do unto others as you would have them do you, but watch your back constantly rule.

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   smslaw | Mar 20, 2008 02:46pm | #10

   seems like insurance might pay for most of that...

   Maybe, if someone had builder's risk insurance or if the homeowner already owned and insured the building.

   I had a case years ago when the contractor's builder's risk coverage expired because no one told the insurer that the building completion date was extended by a few months.  Early in the morning before the big dedication ceremony (it was elderly housing) the place burned to the ground.  Hello bankruptcy.

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   Matt | Mar 20, 2008 03:19pm | #11

   Sounds like someone made a mistake in that instance.  Our bank won't make us a building loan without proof of insurance on the project.  Not sure what would happen if it expired though...  To my knowledge it doesn't expire, but that aspect is not my job - we have a book keeper for that kind of stuff...

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   smslaw | Mar 20, 2008 03:59pm | #12

   In my client's case, the policy period was a year.  Someone should have told the insurer that the policy period needed to be extended.