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   BillHartmann | Sep 19, 2006 05:39am | #1

   I think so.

   Nothing in the drain piping looks bad from what I can see.

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   fossil | Sep 19, 2006 05:48am | #2

   You're kidding about the pipe. I'm new to this posting picture thing. I was refering to whats to the right of the pipe.

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   user-14544 | Sep 19, 2006 05:52am | #4

   I thougth electrical panels had to be so far away from water lines or sumptin...or at least covered up...wow! did you check each circut to make sure its hooked up just right?a really bad joke would be to switch just a few of the lead wires...man what a headache!knowledge without experience is just information.... Mark Twain

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   BryanKlakamp | Sep 19, 2006 05:58am | #5

   1. The wires will have to be put into the junction box. And, the appropriate cover will need to be installed on the box.

   2. The box will need to be large enough to put all the wires in. IIRC, each #12 wire needs 2.25 cu. in., and #14 wire needs 2.0 cu. in. That is - each conductor within the nm cable. All the grounds counts as one conductor. Each other wire coming into the box will count as one wire. Add it all up, and see if the cubic inches of the box is big enough. If not, you will need to put in a larger junction box.

   3. The wires need to be secured with staples within a certain distance of the box. I think it is within 12" or 18". Someone will post the correct number.

   4. The wye on the drain will need to be capped in the proper manner.

   5. Not recommended - Don't let the inspector see it.

   "Objects in mirror appear closer than they are."

   Klakamp Construction, Findlay, Ohio

   Edited 9/19/2006 9:24 pm ET by BryanKlakamp

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   maddog3 | Sep 19, 2006 12:53pm | #12

   .....IIRC, each #12 wire needs 1.25 cu. in. ......-----------------
   actually, #12 needs......2.25 cu.inches#14.......... 2cu. inches:).

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   brownbagg | Sep 19, 2006 02:39pm | #13

   bad part, if you can pack all that wire in the box, it then would pass code.

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   BryanKlakamp | Sep 20, 2006 01:55am | #24

   Thanks, maddog.

   In fact, I just used that figure last week, and I used 2.25.

   It just shows how short a memory we have as we get older.

   I'm glad that you straightened it out.

   Thanks, Bryan"Objects in mirror appear closer than they are."

   Klakamp Construction, Findlay, Ohio

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   maddog3 | Sep 21, 2006 01:07am | #26

   figured it was just a typo Bryan.......

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   BryanKlakamp | Sep 21, 2006 05:11am | #27

   A friend of mine would call that a "brain fart", not a typo."Objects in mirror appear closer than they are."

   Klakamp Construction, Findlay, Ohio

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   BryanKlakamp | Sep 19, 2006 05:49am | #3

   Bill,

   You missed the wye with the baggy over it."Objects in mirror appear closer than they are."

   Klakamp Construction, Findlay, Ohio

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   BillHartmann | Sep 19, 2006 05:59am | #6

   You are right.I missed that one. The other picture shows a rubber cap with a clamp.I think that is OK.

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   rjw | Sep 19, 2006 06:23am | #7

   Pass code?

   Nope. The grounding electrode conductor isn't clamped or secured where it exits the box!

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   rjw | Sep 19, 2006 06:28am | #8

   Resized pics attached

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   “Experience doesn’t bring wisdom, experience evaluation does. When you fail, stay down there for a while and figure out what went wrong. Don’t run away from your failures, evaluate them and learn from them.”

   Dr. John C. Maxwell

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   CAGIV | Sep 19, 2006 07:02am | #9

   damn that's scary looking

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   Notchman | Sep 19, 2006 07:17am | #10

   So Bob; what did you resize them with?   The Hubble telescope? :-)

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   PatchogPhil | Sep 19, 2006 07:39am | #11

   Yeah,  you look thru Hubble backwards to shrink it down!

    

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   rjw | Sep 19, 2006 06:07pm | #18

   FWIW, I use PaintShopPro for my digital photo work; the shareware (freeware?) Infranview can be used for soimne stuff, as well, such as resizing.

   “Experience doesn’t bring wisdom, experience evaluation does. When you fail, stay down there for a while and figure out what went wrong. Don’t run away from your failures, evaluate them and learn from them.”

   Dr. John C. Maxwell

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   fossil | Sep 19, 2006 06:35pm | #20

   I was kidding about meeting code. I had one electrician come by and say "it'll be easier to rip it all out and start over." Another said baically the same thing. Too many wires passing through one hole in joists, wires dangling everywhere. The previous owner lived with this for 15 years.Now I get to figure out what to do with it.

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   Notchman | Sep 19, 2006 07:01pm | #21

   I also use Paint Shop Pro, but I was amused, as a rural dial-uper, that your resizing made them Bigger.

   Nevertheless, that wiring rats-nest was worth waiting for.

   I once bought a piece of heavy equipment from an elderly man who, prior to putting an addition on his home, was required by the permit to upgrade his service panel from a 60A fuse box to a 200A panel.

   The day I met him, he'd just finished his "wiring" of the new panel; all the new romex and the old wires from his existing knob and tube were jammed into the lugs for the supply ahead of the 200A main breaker.  (Getting them all in there must have been quite a task!)

   To accomplish his feat, he'd had to leave the panel cover off to accommodate the wad of incoming circuits. He totally bypassed the knockouts in the panel.

   He was quite proud of himself....but the inspector hadn't visited yet.  Don't know the final outcome....but I can guess.

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   rjw | Sep 19, 2006 09:23pm | #23

   Interesting, I didn't notice that: the pics themselves are smaller (25% applied) but the files are bigger. I'd guess the files saved the "Undo data"In fact, it might be interesting if you DL the files, open them in PsP and try to Undo.

   “Experience doesn’t bring wisdom, experience evaluation does. When you fail, stay down there for a while and figure out what went wrong. Don’t run away from your failures, evaluate them and learn from them.”

   Dr. John C. Maxwell

   
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   girlbuilder | Sep 19, 2006 05:56pm | #16

   If I had a job with an electrician that did work like that, I'd not only fire him, but I'd probably be chasing him with a hammer all the way down the street.

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   rjw | Sep 19, 2006 06:06pm | #17

   I figure the bosss was so concerned about the baggy over the uncapped wastepipe Y he didn't notice the minor wiring details <G>

   “Experience doesn’t bring wisdom, experience evaluation does. When you fail, stay down there for a while and figure out what went wrong. Don’t run away from your failures, evaluate them and learn from them.”

   Dr. John C. Maxwell

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   girlbuilder | Sep 19, 2006 06:19pm | #19

   Well yeah, my brain kind of exploded when I saw that picture, I decided not to address the obvious plumbing as well.No doubt homeowner work. Reminds me of when we did a job for a guy we put a beam into his garage (remodel to living space) to eliminate lallys. There was 4" conduit running to his panel in his basement, formerly across the garage tucked up into the joists. Not any longer as the beam was tucked up to the upper deck and the joists cut and hung on each side.Anyway, here's this conduit we're all walking over, drooping across the room. "You gonna get an electrician in to fix that, or do you want me to bring one of my guys in?" Expecting a discussion of schedules or what have you, instead he replies, "No, I'm all set, I'm going to wire that myself, I bought a junction box at Home Depot and I'll mount it right here," pointing to the web of the beam, "and make my connection."Sure. We left the job prior to getting to witness him splicing a 4" conduit running from the pole outside.

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   Matt | Sep 19, 2006 02:50pm | #14

   I don't see how you remodeling guys put up with such crap.  Granted I'm not an electrician, but I wouldn't touch that with a 10' pole, mainly for liability reasons.  If I were an electrician, I'd probably charge $400 just to clean up that mess - for the same reason.  Ie: once you have touched it, it's all your fault.  When you said "Joke is on me though.", Im wondering if maybe I don't want to know what that means!

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   try50772 | Sep 20, 2006 05:35am | #25

   $400 is a bargain to touch that, I was thinking a grand easy!

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   Shacko | Sep 19, 2006 05:46pm | #15

   Thats why the breeding police have so much work to do! ...............

   "If you don't have time to do it right, where will you find the time to do it over?"
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   woodway | Sep 19, 2006 07:22pm | #22

   Using these pics as examples, we can all see why we need building codes. To all those out there who boast about not having to have the work inspected, this is why it's not such a good idea. The homeowner probably thinks he's gotten away with a cheap fix but what he doesn't realize is that, besides making the house impossible to sell, they put their family's safety in serious jeopardy. As a result, a fire would not be covered by insurance but then again, they probably don't have coverage because they saved a lot by not paying the premium.