Hi, I’m building a house in CO where the building season is very short (11k feet) and was wondering if it would be unreasonable to build the foundation/subfloor this season and try to weatherproof it until the spring. I realize this is not ideal, but I’d really like to get an early start next spring with construction and might not be able to pour concrete until May. Would Grace Ice shield provide enough temporary protection for the winter? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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where in Colorado...
do you intend to back fill???
is this water proofing (Grace I&W) for the foundation or on the floor joist and subfloor assembly only......
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It's in Park Co. south of Breckenridge. Yeah, I do plan to have it backfilled by winter as well. Thanks
put the foundation in per norm and use EPDM to cover the subfloor...
it's easier to remove than the Grace after the house is dried in...
winters up that way are bruttle as you know.. youu'll need all the edge ya can get....
indications says winter is about to start last week...
I'm in the Canoshas....
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Oh yeah, also I was thinking just the grace for the subfloor and wrapped over the edges past the mudsill.
the Grace doesn't weather well in those extremes...
and it will start the self removal process on it's own when ya really rather it didn't and can't get to it...
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Thanks, I'll investigate the epdm. I'm always looking for the easiest approach of course, but you're right, I'll never know what's happening under those 3 feet of snow.
3' ya say...
you must be in a sheltered area...
you by Fairplay???
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Right, Breckenridge is an 8-10' hole at least!Probably oughta put up flagpoles at the corners so he can find it again!;)I roofed 5 or six down there when I was in Kremmling
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11K elev...
might even be twice that....
then there's the hyper cold...
and the Chinooks....
and..................
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
It's a full basement. Snow load is 120 lbs so that's another good point. Maybe there are too many unknowns and I should just wait it out.
common sense will perservere...
go for it while ya have the window..
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
How about rolled roofing as a cheaper alternative to EPDM ? A 4-6" lap and black moly the seams were it is nailed down. Might be a little easier for one person to handle than rolls of EPDM.
Dave
that would work...
consider though that he needs to take it up later..
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Dieselpig posted about using EPDM on on one of his remodels as a temp dry in soultion and said he had great luck with it...
I passed on the information to others and 1 person used it...
there was no looking back then...
that trick worked..
leave it in place till yur at 100% dryed in and then cut it out... WTB some of it can be reused again on other things...
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Good thought. I may use it myself.
My only experience with EPDM has been from roof tare offs. My skinny old arz can't handle much of that stuff at one time. Maybe still rolled up cut to length and re-rolled I could use new material.
Dave
works greaat when you have to leave the table saw out overnight or to cover tools in back of the truck
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and the generator and the temp electric box and the fish pond liner....
there's gotta be as many uses for that stuf as there is for duct tape..
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
a 6" lap contact cements up pretty well if the rubber is clean..
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I can get literally tons of the stuff (used) for free. We have taken acres of it off one of our facilities. Contractor says come get as much as I want.
Might look into gettin some for all those good things.
Didn't think you could use it for those ornimental ponds. Something about the chemical make up that would kill the fishies>
Dave
I don't kmow abou8t the chemocal make up but there are gonna be somr very unhappy campers about their fish...
so far so good...
used.. now there's an angle to consider...
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
wunder if the OP has come back to catch this...
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Dunno, but I'm learnin .
Hey all, thanks for good info. I'm going to look into the epdm. Would you think contact cement at the seams and then just along the edges to keep it down. I suppose if I lapped it over the sides I could even tack it on with some 1xs. Thanks again. Greg
contact the seams...
lap over the edges and use yur 1x's....
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Thanks IMERC, what do you think about the subfloor carrying the snow load, its North of Alma, and has good southern exposure. The longest span is 12'. A flat roof sure wouldn't pass up there so maybe this won't cut it either through the winter. I suppose I could keep the load to a minimum by clearing it if needed.
what is yur joist size???
you could rig some temp intermediate supports and make that span 6'... reuse the material else where later...
you'd have a no worry deal then...
you realize that if you leave the EPDM in place till yur dried in you'll have a very dry basement to store stuff in or work out of... even camp in if need be...
treat that stuff like a tire intertube... patch the same way...
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WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
They're 9.5" I-joists 2' o.c. I'm hoping to be able to store a lot of the materials there beforehand.
which series???
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Not sure yet, I don't get my engineering back until later this week.
Check the engineering for deflection and load! That sounds minimal to me even in the heaviest series. It may handle foot traffic OK but for six feet of snow...And unless you are living there, you won't be there when need to to shovel it off. You definitely need to put in temp wallls or beams under it but also, 2'OC is too far for many types of finish flooring . Too much deflection between the joists. I'd be dropping it down to 19.2" at least.
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I agree 100% 2' OC with 9.5" joists sounds very minimal. I would worried about leaving that over the winter in Michigan where I live. Much less the Rockies where it snows by the foot.
And the thaw springs to mind as well, where it's thawing during the day and freezing again by the time the sun hits the hills. That's alot of weight.
I would either frame it all at once this year or start fresh in the spring.
How's it go? Penny wise pound foolish. Just to big of a risk just to get a subfloor on.
Bosshog said that screwing the subfloor along with glue increases the span capabilities. I would cut the spacing to 12" oc glue and screw the deck down. A few dollars in I-joists will go a long ways.
Maybe temporary walls in the basement to cut spans way down as well.
Just thinking out loud, maybe way out in left field.
Yeah, I'm framing myself and using SIPS. I'm going to talk to my foundation guy and see how early he thinks is safe to pour in the spring, maybe I could so some of the excavation now and clean it up in the spring and be ready to pour. I don't think I want to play craps with mother nature.
Play it safe and don't pay for it twice. I understand being anxious I see people moving into the houses I work on before all the carpet is in. It's natural, but take a look from the outside and make the right decision. You'll be happy you did.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait. It's not worth the stress. I'd be sweatin' everytime I saw a big storm come through. Thanks for everyone's input. Greg
Use advantech subfloor as well, OSB wouldn't take weather like that very well.
Use PL Premium glue and ring shank nails. What's wrong with me? I could ask you the exact same thing.
Absolutamento!
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one other item..
full basement or crawl space,
Bt'ers are a rare breed...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Snow load will your floor joist handle the load. Will you need to add some temporary beams to cut the span.
there's more...
stay tuned...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
How big is the house?
What is your schedule for framing the structure.
Is this a do it yourself project or are you using a framing contractor.
Worked through the last two winters in Snowmass, Colorado and we framed right through both winters at about 9,500 feet of elevation.
I built one in Ouray thru a winter too, but yiou sure get to spend a high percent of your time shoveling snow! one winter can be almost none of the white stuff and the next will bury you and your materials. I remember a couple years having snow 12' deep so I could start the roof without staging, but I had to dig it out of a hole to get too it.Don't know how the cards are cut for this winter
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