Hello: I have a very small, 80sqft, wood floor to install, can I use my finish nailer instead of renting a regular floor nailer? I have to limit my time on my knees so hand nailing won’t do. Should I leave existing linolium and go over it?
Thanks, Duke
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You can, but you'll have squeaks out the ying-yang. Not enough holding power. Linoleum should be okay if it is flat. Normally tarpaper or a thin rubber mat is used. If you want fast installation and a good looking hardwood, check out Kahrs floor. It looks good and is easy to install. No end curl ups.
Modern Homes Guy: What if I pull the lino and put down some high tech underlayment mat (which do you recommend?) and use my finish nailer? Would that keep squeaks to a minimum? The area in question is a breakfast nook with no living space underneth so a few squeaks would not be critical.
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If I were you, here's what I'd do. (I have two staplers, so I won't be in your place any time soon...) Use your nailer, but use construction adhesive as well. I use PL premium. It is not very smelly, and is especcially for indoor use. It is more expensive, but you should only need two large tubes anyhow.
Just apply it in a serpentine pattern on the floor before you place your hardwood (Not all at once, of course)
That will have plenty of holding power, and your brads will acts as clamps until the glue is dried. Don't tear up the lino, unless you want to do plenty of scraping, etc... Hardwood is fine over lino.-------------------------------
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Jacob: Sounds like a plan, couple more ?'s tho.........
Will the adhesive stick well to the lino and the wax on top of it? Would mineral sprits or other solvent and maybe a bit of sanding help in that respect? If it matters the wood is Bamboo T&G from Lumber Liquidators. How do I deal with bumps on the existing floor? I have a book on the way:
Hardwood Floors : Laying, Sanding and Finishing"Don Bollinger
but I most appriciate person to person advice in Knots, Breaktime etc. Thanks all again, DukeKenneth Duke Masters
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how old is the lino and how well attached is it? how thick is your new flooring? if transition from this area to adjacent, you might want to do new underlayment (1/4 or 3/8 luan or similar underlayment) glued and fastened 6-8 inches apart (end up using a fair amount of nails/screws) - would give you a fresh flat surface to glue the new floor to using the finish nailer to "clamp"
FireDude: The lino is 25+ years old. I pulled up a corner to check it out and it was medium tuff to pull by hand. The new stuff is 5/8". Luan is plywood? As I look around at advice sites there are all kinds of underlayments mentioned, rubber mat of some kind, plywood, sheathing (?)paper. I like the idea of something solid and flat under the new stuff, could I still leave the lino and what is a good choice? I also like the idea of the glue and the finish nailer, I could do as much as my back would stand for the day and not worry about returning a rented tool.
Thanks again, DukeKenneth Duke Masters
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Like JJ, I would use the PL Premium over the lino for such a smalll floor and the finish nailer
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Does PL Premium have enough give in it for use on a wood floor with the expansion/contraction?However, in this case the relatively small area probably is not a problem.
PL premium is 'Specially formulated for use indoors on wood floors, etc...'-------------------------------
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PL premium is 'Specially formulated for use indoors on wood floors, etc...'"Where did you get that? I could not find any such recommendation from the manufacture.Nor do they spec strechability. However, they do have a proseries polyureathane that they do spec it, but don't mention it for flooring.The only flooring adhesive that I found was for vinyl and outdoor carpeting.http://www.osiliterature.com/Image/PDF/sP20091.pdf
I wouldn't use the PLP on a large room sized floor but this little one would not have enough movement to matter.
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On the side of the tube.-------------------------------
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On the tube that I have it has the same information as what is in that link that I posted. And I did not see anything about using it for flooring unless it is in the spanish part of the text.It does have on it "Bonds wood, metal, stone, concret, masonry, bricks"And list of uses;"For Bonding:
Wood, emtal, OSB, drywall, Stone, concrete, masonry, bricks Vinyl, pastics Foam Sub-floor, construction joints"Are you sure that you are looking at PL Polyurethane Preminum Cosntrcution Adhesive (Adhesivo para Construccion Poliuretano)
Actually, It would be in French up here :) I'll have to retake a look to find exactly where it says that. My Wide-plank flooring supplier will not garuntee unless we use it.-------------------------------
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PL Premium sticks to Bl**dy well anything. Sanding it won't hurt though, but IMHO would just be an extra pain in the neck. As for bumps, if they are just a case of lino coming unglued, is cut out the lino in that area, then fill the depression in with flooring compound. Your first row is your most important. If you get that right, it will be smooth sailing from there. If you mess it up, it will be nothing but a headache. it is well worth your time to make sure you get it right. BTW, that book is really good.-------------------------------
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luan is a type of Philippine mahogany plywood - usually 1/4" (actually 5 mm) although there are other thicknesses, cheap and easy to install - you could cut with a razor knife - smooth enough to use as underlayment and thin enough without causing all kinds of interface problem - one thing is to be sure you get enough to do the whole job at the same time - production runs can be a little inconsistent in thickness - for your job, 3 sheets should work - key would be to fasten it securely to the lino and be sure the surface is flat - no humps at the joints - then glue and fasten the new floor
good luck
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for all kinds of work near the ground, like the floor refinishing, i keep a skateboard to sit on and scoot around. it saves my knees and work goes quicker.
Interesting. Skateboard, huh? Maybe a small dolly would also work.
Any pictures of the skateboard in action?The heck, you say?