I am looking to buy a 12″ compound Miter saw. I am most seriously considering the Ridgid 12″ with laser line due to features and price. How does Ridgid stand up to other name brands? Any recommendations?
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Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I have a Milwaukee 10" slider and am considering a slider that tilts both ways.
Do you think the 12" is so much better than the 10"? Do you get any blade difflection.
I am considering getting a new slider, and the 12" is tempting but the only thing I can think of that it has over the 10" is that it can take a taller piece of wood. I don't especially need that, hell I can cut crown on the flat and if I need to cut some taller timbers I can do it with the circular saw. I have a lot of good 10" blades and I don't care to buy the 12"s if I don't need to.
Just give me the facts man, that's all. Or do you have stock in the Bosch co. too. (don't let Merc see this)
Doug
Ya know Doug, I did not like the idea of having a 12, when for yrs. it is all 10..all my blades for the TS and my old delta..BUT..I am going to make endgrain flooring from 4x6 (true dim)..and the 12 is the way to go.
With that said, I bought a Freud 100 tooth, and have yet to get to the flooring, but man, it's so nice to be able to do the wide/flip it up cuts..almost 15''...a lot of my wood from the place is 16'' +...
I think the OP was talking about a non slider..too bad, I'd have no other.
Blade deflection? Yes. I have noticed a little, mostly user error, but it is new to me, and I am adjusting.
That12 needs to be at full r's to be effiecient..ya can't do a quick "chop and hope"..
They had a problem on the first gen, w/ arbors or some such, I got a re-con from http://www.toolking.com for 545.00 it really is OK, BUT..toolking f'ed me on a blade..it was HSS...framing blade..WTF?
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
Cept for the weight and stupid inoperable dust bag I have no complaints about my DW 12" SCMS
Be ducking my head,
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
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I bought the Delta duel bevel- outstanding!
Check out this month's Tools of the Trade magazine. I believe the Bosch got best overall and the Rigid was right there with it, minus a few features. Still got second best with the "most bang for the buck" vote.
Will this be for DIY type use or daily use/abuse in a pro setting? Not saying that the Rigid couldn't handle the daily grind (not saying it can either...just don't know). But if I was buying for DIY, I'd get the Rigid hands down. But if it was going into my trailer, I'd spend the extra coin for the Bosch.
Both these saws are MONSTERS even when compared to other 12" saws on the market. If portability is an issue, then check 'em out in person.
Wait a minute.....are we talking SCMS's or plain old CMS's?
FWIW, I've had a Makita LS1013 for a couple years now and am still thrilled with it. No one ever told it that it's only a 10" saw. Doesn't weigh a ton or take up 1/2 the bed of a truck either.
This will be used for DIY only. The main reason I am considering the Ridgid is as stated before, features/value. I need to buy from HD (long story), so I am limited to what they sell. I like the Dewalt, but I like the idea of the laser line on the Ridgid. I'm a homeowner/DIYer, so any help is appreciated.
the best CMS is the Dewalt.
The laser line will be cute to ya for about a month ...
not real hard to learn to mark a line then touch the blade to one side or the other before you squeeze the trigger?
real carpentry skills will be along way longer than gimics and gadgets ...
go with the basics ... learn to do things right from the start.
cutting on the mark ain't really that hard ...
plus ... bet you'll hate the laser the first time it's bumped .. or you change blades ... and the laser line is off ... trust me .. this will happen with the msot expensive piece of material ... of the very last ... "if I make this cut right.. we'll have just enough" piece.
JeffBuck Construction, llc Pittsburgh,PA
Artistry in Carpentry
Almost every finisher I've known has a DW 12" compound miter. I have the double compound DW 12", cuts 6½" baseboard standing up. Fine tuning the thing to 0º is a dream. Best non slider I've ever used.
You must be newer than new....
BOSCH and don't you ferget it!!!!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming....
WOW!!! What a Ride!
If yer limited to what HD sells, then IMHO Dewalt is the way to go. After a week, if you really, really, still need a laser, you can buy an after market one for less than $60.
Ridgid is made by the co that used to make Craftsman and although I'm sure they are decent tools, I'm just not sure I'd want to be the first guy on the block to own one.
Your mileage may vary
For DIY work... go with the DW.
The laser is a great marketing ploy... but useless in the end. Depending on any number of factors, it is like the measurements on a table-saw fence... ok to get it close, but certainly not exact.
As some folks already mentioned, for DIY, get the DeWalt DW705.
I've had mine for nearly 10 years and it still has the original blade.
Price has come down on it since then and it's a great value.
Cedar siding, countless 2x4 and 2x6, 4x4, even vinly siding.
The other day I was installing oak shoe molding (mould?) and the blade cut them with no splinters - absolutely clean cuts.
Eyeballing the cutline is just a matter of getting acquainted with the way your saw works, so the laser gizmo is just that, a gimmick that's not necessary.
It's been a good saw and is now mounted on the ridgid miter saw stand which i recently bought for $99 during the Home Dump sale everybody was buzzing about.
I might reward the dependable beast with a fancy new blade.
(By the way, I'm another DIY fool.)
Used someone else's Ridgid on a job quite a bit recently. Pretty nice tool, I could own one and not be unhappy. Someone dropped the saw a few inches and it broke a very lightweight-looking and crucial bracket that holds the saw head.... took a long time to get a new one.
Hi Rook,
I still use my 55 lb delta cast iron base 10" saw. Stable, but heavy. I have used a Hitachi slide saw and love it. Bosch also makes some of the best stuff as well. Needless to say, ask or go with what people say here!!
On another note, I have two 14v cordless Rigid drills and love them. The charger fast charges well too.
Mark
I have recently been considering the 12" Delta CMS from their "professional" line that does include the twin laser. I realize, and believe those more experienced that the laser is a gimmick, but from reviews I read on Amazon.com, their is very little negative reports on this saw, unlike the Dewalt 705s. Understand, I am not a professional, I just want a good saw that will stand up to moderate home use. My max price is $300, which rules out Bosch. Outside of this forum, I have not heard much about Bosch, nor do I know anyone who owns one. One other reason for considering the Delta is that Toolcrib.com is offering it for $263 with an additional $25 rebate. They are currently selling at Lowe's for $299. You are the first one on this forum to say anything positive or negative about Delta. Thanks for your thoughts.
If you scroll up, I gave my dual bevel Delta (36-412) a thumbs up.
BTW, now that DeWalt owns Delta, I bet DeWalt will have some nice new miter saws incorporating the best of both lines. Probably won't be for a year or two though.The awful thing is that beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.- Fyodor Dostoyevski
When did DeWalt buy Delta?
I know that B&D, who owns DeWalt, bought Porter Cable, and now your saying that B&D bought Delta.
Can that be? If thats the case chalk up one more brand of tool that I wont be buying!
Doug
Happened about a month ago. The co that owned Delta, PC, Oldham Saw & a couple other brands sold to B&D.The awful thing is that beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.- Fyodor Dostoyevski
Pentair is now the parent company of BD, DW, PC, Delta, and several more.
Jon Blakemore
Do you know the several more are???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming.... WOW!!! What a Ride!
"Pentair is now the parent company of BD, DW, PC, Delta, and several more." .......... not exactly. Pentair is getting out of the tool business and pending gov't approval, will sell the tool business (Porter-Cable, Delta, Flex, Oldham, DeVilbiss Air Power Products) to Black and Decker.
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=PNR&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=592201
Your right, I was mixed up.
Jon Blakemore
Rook,
When 7 Corners Ace Hdw used to advertise in Fine Home & Fine Wood, I bought alot of my "Milwaukee brand" power tools from them. I've spent money with the Tool Crib as well. Look for free freight whenever possible. The new Delta 12" with the motor "vertical" to the handle is one I am going to look at seriously. I have a new major rennovation coming, hence I need to treat myself to a toy!!!
A laser is nice, but for me it's another distraction. Can you see the laser in sunlight???
Happy Tools......Mark