Which SCMS do you recomend and why?? They all seem good. The bosch seems slightly better, but its $100 more, is it really worth the 100??
Also, ayone know where you can get the Bosch SCMS that is reconditioned??
Which SCMS do you recomend and why?? They all seem good. The bosch seems slightly better, but its $100 more, is it really worth the 100??
Also, ayone know where you can get the Bosch SCMS that is reconditioned??
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Sounds like you want the Bosch so quit being so cheap and call the Tool Crib and get a recondotioned one.
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
http://www.toolking.com 545.00 plus 35.00 shipping. They do not send a good blade, and do not respond to email when ya bitch about the blade not being there..Got one and love it. Put a Freud blade on..
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations.
Did you not know that there was a CSPC ruling against putting a good bade in a saw when it sold.
Afraid that people will cut them selves with it.
you are kidding right? The blade was a steel combination rip/crosscut..on the saw. Direct from being reconditioned by Bosch. Funny thing is the instruction booklet specifically states to use a negative hook SCMS blade carbide tipped..The bosch 80T blade shown on the box..is 80 bucks at lowes.
I wrote again to toolking..will see what happens.
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"you are kidding right? The blade was a steel combination rip/crosscut..on the saw"
Well does that prove my point <G>
Actually I heard rummers that some companies have started supplying a usable, not great but usable, blade.
I have not bought that many saws. But when I got my cr*psman RAS about 20 years ago it came with a steel blade like you describe.
Then when I bought my Jet table saw it came with no blade.
That is when I "deduced" my theory about factory supplied blades.
just get a makita or a bosch. the top two Sliders out there.
Bosch SCMS. No contest.
Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
Bosch has a new 12 in. CMS (model number 4212) I have one for an upcoming review. The vote haven't yet been cast but I'd wager that it'll be the top saw. It is a double-bevel saw and all of the controls, including the bevel controls are front mounted. Look for the review in issue 164.
Brian P.
Any word on the new Milwaukee 12"
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
No. As far as I know they only have 10 in. and a 10 in. slider. Where did you see the saw? If there is a new one I should get on it, it almost too late!
Brian P.
Rep for Milwaukee said they were introducing one.
1-800-729-3878 / 0 and then ask for Bill in tech support....
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't look like it'll be out in time to make the review.
If they do introduce one we'll have to update the review in T&M
Brian P.
Brian or anybody-
I also am in the market for a new 12" miter saw and wondering if I really need a slider. My old 10 inch Makita has served me well for all these years and have done a lot of crown with it. I will replace with a 12" because I have acquired a lot of good 12" blades, but why do I need a slider??
Also, how can it possibly be that there are so many places offering factory rebuilts on virtually every brand?? Except Hitachi !! This alone makes me think Hitachi should be my next miter saw if they make a 12".
Regards.
The crosscut capacity of a slider is much greater than a 12 in. cms. Of the saws we are reviewing only one saw can cut 9 in. stock at a 90 degree miter, most of them top out around 8 in. Most sliders can cut stock around 12 in. wide.
For most trim and casing work a 12 in. saw's will do. but when you start getting into cabinetry application where wider stock is used, you'll need a slider.
You can get a good 12 in. cms for around $300 though the best of the bunch are going to run you a bit more. Sliders start around $350, but if you decide on a slider expect to pay $500 for the saw you want.
Brian P.
I had Makita 10" slider for 20 years til it got stolen. #$@&*!! Worked great. Now have a Dewalt. Also works great.
Mark
Just bought the Makita 10" scms and love it. The main reason I bought it was that it came with a free 14v drill. I'm not sure if that deal is still going on or not but it justified it enough for me to get two new tools. Cost $498
Dave
Second the votes for the Makita LS1013 10" SCMS, and Coastal Tool.
Coastal Tool is top notch. If you're ever in West Hartford CT, stop in and say hi to them. They also answer questions via email, no hassle returns, price equivalent to Tool Crib.
Sounds like you paid somthing for the drilll , but still a fair deal.
I dont know how much a 10 inch slider weighs, but my 12 inch slider dewalt is too heavy for transport by my self. As brian says its more for cabinets and such . It stays in the shop set up to a long tabel.
The prices quoted on cms are wrong . A Dewalt 12 inch is 229.00. Thats the saw I haul , but like I said, I dont know how much a 10 inch slider weighs and how much will it cut?
The 12 inch slider is out of my weight range to haul every day and not necesary. But thats me .
Tim Mooney
I believe that Toolking.com has the cheapest price on reconditioned bosch 12" SCMS. The only thing i wish it had was a laser. The Ridgid has a laser, and it seems like it would be helpfull.
toolking for sure..I got mine there..545.00 plus 35.00 shipping (denver to Kentucky) came UPS in 3 days..BUT NO CARBIDE BLADE..as advertised..and NO response to emails about that...
A laser is not THAT inportant to me..I will be cutting 40 4x6x8' into blocks 1.5" long for flooring..thats either gunna make it or break it..one yr. factory warranty. We'll see how it holds up.
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Sphere
Not to hijack this thread but how are you going to do that floor?
I'm currious, I seen something on Bob Vila once and just wondered if there was more than one way to install the stuff. I have a bunch of old oak timbers from a barn that I though about doing a floor with.
Thanks
Doug
What I am fixin to do is..pull up the linoleum..bostic best floor adhesive..notch trowel..lay the blocks (running bond and a border of differing size and species)..the blocks 4x6 have a slight chamfer on the top edge..(router table) gonna leave a 1/8 or so between the blocks for sawdust grout..5gal. bucket the dust from crosscutting the blocks, add boiled linseed oil, gloss polyurethane, a capfull or two of japan drier. Smear the whole thing with it and fill the voids..before it sets up scrub it down with burlap or some such thing maybe old round floor scrubber pads ( I have a few). let it set, then literally mop on another coat of the oil/poly mix ( the end grain will drink it up) and thats all. Rustic house , rustic measures.
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Sphere
Thats how they did it on the BV show, some company out of Chicago I think. Looked cool but I wondered how it would last. Cant imagine that it wouldnt though.
I'm building a new kitchen for a 1880's house that I have in Iowa, an old German settlement, I tore down a barn that was all oak, I was thinking of cutting some of that up to do exactly what you are going to do.
Thank you
Doug
google for "cobble wood floors" and hold on to something..there is a place that does incredible work...country music hall of fame and the like..oh, yeah..it will last forever..and a dropped plate in a kitchen might survive !
I figgured about a buck a sq. ft. for my app. plus labor of course..could slice thinner and get more blocks per linear..but I need to raise the kitchen an inch and a half..actually cutting mine more like one and 3/8..
Red oak, white oak, and whatever else..I can get sawn in 4x6..locally..then the patteren will be decided on.
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Thanks for explaining that . It would be an awsome cabin floor too.
Tim Mooney
right on, and cheap too!..you saw my pics I'm sure. Can't blow the wad on a stinkin kitchen floor..told the DW..maybe need a summer kitchen..outside..<G>
now if the saw don't have a conniption doin all those cuts..let's see..for guessin here..8 slices per lf. 8 lf per rail X 40 rails..2,560 cross cuts..might need to add a watercooling jacket on that sucker..I'll bet my eye teeth..the ele. brake dies, before I am half way thru..
oh, and that's if I use only 4x6..I'm thinkin about some 4x4 for accents..
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Bear in mind that the laser, Rigids at least, are not accurate. The Ridid doesn't run parallel to the blade, so anyone who lines it up above the work willl miss by a bit. How much depends on how high above the work the line up was done.
I mentioned this to the Rigid guys at the show, and they denied it up and down. So we plugged one in, and they were shocked. "I had NO idea!" they said. Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
I have an older Makita SCMS which works great but the sound will deafen you (it's got a high pitch whine).
Two finish carpenters that work with me have the Dewalts', one has the fixed and one the slider. I have to say, I am leaning towards purchasing a new Dewalt SCMS and putting the Makita on eBay but having read this thread I may look into the Bosch as I've always had incredible service form their tools.
gordon
try http://www.coastaltool.com toll-free# 1-8775518665
*****CALL THEM at tollfree #, they don't always have everything posted on the website, but it's usually in the warehouse*******
10" Bosch is #3915 $479. think the new #12" Bosch is $525.
delivery about $15. tried everyone, these guys beat them all...wonder if reconditioned saws would be available already but ask them....throw a freud blade in it....used to get those dewalt blade packs/finish & framing cheap at hd, not worth using cheeep blades, were real heavy and slow, put freud in, my saws ran faster rpm, great cuts
they got that fixed..any factory reconditioned one is warrented. The new one have a different assembly..or so I've heard. Mines tite as a frogs butt hole..water tite.
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My setup is two saws . . . one a low-cost 8" Freud SCMS and the other a Dewalt 12" CMS. I think together they cost what a 12" SCMS might go for.
If my work involves a lot of miters I tune up the 12-incher to a perfect 45, and leave it that way, then make all the straight chops on the little saw.
If I was a framer, though, I would't use either of these. For SERIOUS framing cutting, I would consider a 12" or 14" radial-arm, wired for 240V. Not very portable, but hey, most framing crews I've seen have a couple young strong guys willing to get something heavy off the truck, and they will probably meet you at the shop to get it loaded, too.
Serious framers take the saw to the material... Thats why there is the bigfoot saw, prazzi beam cutters and that mega makita 16 5/16 circular saw. great for bastard hips and commons...
I have the Hitachi 10 inch SCMS with the laser sight. Great saw! The fence is a little short but it hasn't been a problem yet.
Billy