A local architect we have hereabouts has a signature look to much of his work.
One of the features is the use of bumped out walls at outside corners to emulate the look of massive battered columns supporting the roofs. This, all clad in dark stained cedar shingles, always woven at corners.
The pics attached show two elevations of a current project.
You can see when looking at the base of the building, that there is no foundation under the mainfloor bumps, so they are suspended or cantilevered somehow. We are not talking about a lot of weight here, so how do you think these bumps get framed and sheathed?
The building corners inside are plain and square. The bumpouts are just doodads for architectural interest.
An interesting twist that his standing seam roofing contractor is bringing new to the table, as can be seen in the pics, is the up-curve to the roofing, in that last little bit before the low roof goes up to meet the clerestory wall. How tough is that to do?
These pics are of the in-progress build. The “ground effect” treatment, which will be lattice panels in the same painted color as the whole thing, have yet to be added. They go in the un-bumped bays.
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Hmm.
I think I --- hate it! ;-)
Seriously, it just looks like a gimmick to me. I suppose it's just framed by firring out over the sheathing and then more sheathing, then shingles. That said, if there was, say, a nice stone base under the bump-out, I think it would look OK and arts & craftsy-like. As it is, it prolly just makes another cavity that needs critter-proofed.
As for the bend in the standing seam, there was a thread a few days ago about seaming bent work. I'm sure one of the wizzards of metal will chime in on that.
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gimme the one with "too much wood" that everyone was just complaining about!
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I think after reading piffins post it must be the same house.
Hmm.
I think I --- hate it! ;-)
I know I do !! looks real amaturish.
That chimney chase on the hip instead of in a valley is OK
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Here is that corner fireplace from the inside.
Nice stone, but you guys in Maine have masons as good or better than ours, and see this kind of stuff all the time.
This architect is a huge fan of an insert fireplace product called Bellfires, and info about it can be seen by going here
The fireplace shown here most certainly has that insert as its core.
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I like that.But like you show in another thread, this room really overdoes the all same wood interior thing there.
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Just my opinion but, that is one ugly fireplace, Sort of an inverted mantle ? Just because you can lay it tight doesn't mean anything goes. The stone looks
applied rather then laid. Hearth stone... well it's crooked and fat looking. The random projecting stone is well lonely. And I'll eat crow and say yes, too much wood on the walls.
Thanks for your input. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
This one ought to really annoy you. The pic is from the portfolio of the same architect.
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I like that one too, but that seamed bead on ceiling makes me want to gag.
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No, actually I pretty much like that one
(The exterior view is beautiful). I'd like to see the table area with a bit of overhang and
the corner stones could be crisper, but it is appealing. A nice presence in the house.
It looks to me as if the side feature in that squat fireplace unit, is a log crib.
If you think about it, it is perhaps good that the slab of stone on top of the log crib has its edge held back somewhat. A projecting one might be in your way of vision, and is something you might bang your forehead against, when selecting that next log for the fire.
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Good point. I was thinking in terms of it being a working surface. Plus to be fair, that Adirondack glaciated stone is
difficult as far as corners go. Yet, I've pulled it off and
I've seen excellent examples so it can be done. On a side note- Do you have any pics of the old pink split faced granite that
was in vogue back in the day?
Not to my liking at all, but hey what do I know?
An interesting twist that his standing seam roofing contractor is bringing new to the table, as can be seen in the pics, is the up-curve to the roofing, in that last little bit before the low roof goes up to meet the clerestory wall. How tough is that to do?
If it's framed/sheathed right and in the right roofer's hands with the right tools, it's NBD. We do roof details like that frequently.
I like that roofing job, but don't care much for the house.
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Glad you looked at it and chimed in.
I figured that if the SS height wasn't much, and the pics look as if it is minimal, the upcurve thing is pretty doable. Then again, maybe a rib at 1-1/2" height will do a curve like that with no problem. Can't say for sure, because I am not around the material, but you are.
Would you think that just a few furring strips on the plywood roof deck, say two across the curve, and one at the wall line, allowing the two intermediate points to be pulled down to the curve with the fastening clips, would do it?
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Would you think that just a few furring strips on the plywood roof deck, say two across the curve, and one at the wall line, allowing the two intermediate points to be pulled down to the curve with the fastening clips, would do it?
It has to be true standing seam, not snaplock or any other SS look-a-likes to take the curve. I could probably make it work with the system you're describing, but I wouldn't be happy about it. I prefer a solid deck to push against when turning the seams. It's easy to wrinkle the panel w/o solid decking under it and any treading across it after it's finished can cause telegraphing of any gaps below.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Good point about the tread-through, although my guess is that since it just does the swoop in the last 1 to 1-1/2 feet, this job got battens.
Just my guess, though. There is a lot of cost in doing those decorative wall boosts at the corners, and so a little solid planking up at the top reaches of the low roof sheathing probably doesn't matter, in the grand scheme of things.
Are you calling "true standing seam" the method whereby wide U-pans go down, clipped somehow to the substrate, then a tight little inverted U is crimped over the joint? In Cu, is this all soldered?
Take a look at the little pic attached. Another creation by the same architect, and showing a favorite detail of his for a roof, that being a very understated eyebrow swoop. That one must require some careful layout, because to maintain planview parallel, the pans up and over the swoop must be wider at bottom than at top, and things vary depending where you are on the curve.
Look, also, at how small the hip seams are. No big wide hip covers.
This architect is quite the artist, and he uses a lot of Cu!
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Are you calling "true standing seam" the method whereby wide U-pans go down, clipped somehow to the substrate, then a tight little inverted U is crimped over the joint? In Cu, is this all soldered?
No sir. True standing seam is double rolled.
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There is typically no soldering involved in standing seam except at penetrations like waste vents.
Look, also, at how small the hip seams are. No big wide hip covers.
That's also how we do it. The hip is another seam. I hate those ridge covers, but I learned doing residential restoration work and hip covers are not allowed in most historic districts.
That one must require some careful layout, because to maintain planview parallel, the pans up and over the swoop must be wider at bottom than at top, and things vary depending where you are on the curve.
I've done several of these. We start in the center and work in both directions, a row at a time. Install a row, lay out, fabricate, install, repeat.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Must this kind of metal roof, with these details, be done only in copper?
Take a look at the first pics in the starter post of this thread. That color, and it being on a project not even done yet, makes me think the metal is not copper.
Lead? Terne-coated steel? Galvalume?
Whaddya think?
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Terne-coated steel?
That's what it most likely is.They make a pre-finished terne product we use quite a bit. http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
What kind of an architect ignores the basic rule of design that states loosely, "Make it look like everything is supported even if it isn't?"
The exterior looks fairly nice except for that huge glaring error that relegates this house to the crappy suburban imitation category.
Well, PTP, I see from your profile, that you live up in the Twin Cities, a metropolitan area where quite a bit of residential construction out in the "crappy suburbs," actually gets designed by architects.
Seeing all those handsome one-off designs, as you motor your way around the shores of, say, Lake Minnetonka, may have tended to color your opinion somewhat, toward what constitutes crappiness and mediocrity in suburban housing.
Attached is a snapshot of the exterior of that project, the inside of which has that last fireplace I posted.
Now, I've been through a lot of pretty crappy suburbs, but never up in your neck of the woods, and never in my wanderings, saw any places that looked like what I am showing here.
If you're calling this just another crappy suburban house, then maybe we ought to have our next Breaktime upper midwest August get together and cookout in your backyard, so we can eyeball the surrounding splendor.
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Did you think that I was criticizing the fireplaces? That's not what I meant to do. I was talking about the first house with the bumped out corners. It looks nice until you see that those corners are hanging out over nothing. That destroys the entire aesthetic of the house; that makes it all look fake and contrived. If those corners were skirted by something - anything - that would connect them to the ground and provide visual support the home would be very pleasing to the eye.That considerable oversight is what ruins the house for me and makes me call it fake suburban cr ap.If you do decide to visit the Twin Cities, you'll encounter pretty much what you find everywhere else. The core of Minneapolis, St Paul and the surviving smaller towns contain some nice houses from simple to grand that have architectural merit. The first ring suburbs contain a considerable amount of what I'd call serviceable housing stock, neither horrifically ugly nor beautiful but generally adaptable to remodelers' and architects' visions.Traveling further from the urban core you come to the beigevilles. Vast wastelands of vinyl siding, three car garages dominating the front facade and cul-de-sacs. Hideous. You can find some new construction worthy of admiration on infill lots here and there in the older parts of town, near desirable geographic features (even Lake Minnetonka) and planned communities out in the hinterlands. The problem with these new planned communities is that they're in the middle of freaking nowhere and, though they may include sidewalks and parks that encourage pedestrians, require complete and utter dependence upon the automobile.Apparently you like the house in question and are willing to overlook what I can't. I like it too, just not as much as if it were right.
That looks like a structural engineering and insulation/ventilation nightmare there
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I thought the house was cool, so I did a model of it in Chief Architect.
The eyebrow roof, which I can readily do in Sketchup, proved too much a challenge in Chief, so I did a silly little pitched gable instead. Not quite the same effect.
I modeled it to see if I could figure a way to do the battered boosts at the corners and at the entry.
At only 1400 sf total, with the 468 sf top floor all one ensuite bedroom, the place is small. The main floor has a LR, DR, K, half bath, and den.
I'll bet the prototype cost the buyer a half mil, easily. That's using the $350/sf "starter" number guys here work up from, for a place with these kinds of details.
Those are bygone days now, when a young just-starting bond trader could blow a third of his bonus on a weekend house like this. His bonus today probably won't get him a Chevy Cavalier.
For you roof cutters out there, the top roof has its side planes at 6:12, but since it is not a square, but we want it pyramidal, the hips are irregular, and the front and back planes are 7 and some wierd fraction. And that little dormer, with its downward-pitched ridge, will give you fits.
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