Hi All,
Planning the outdoor shower at the beach house, and thought I’d use cedar dimensional lumber, very expensive. 4×4 is 7.75 per foot. I’m going to check other yards, but wondered about health issues with ACQ, after all it will get wet regularly. Anybody hear of any issues given this application, high degree of human contact with the wood, etc?
Thanks
Kevin
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For the pallet under foot, definitely not - go Ipe, cypress, trex, anything other than this cr@p. I get irritation from just working with it with pants on, where it touches my thighs handling it., or my forearms with or without a shirt. No way do I want to be standing on it of getting slivers in my feet from it.
For posts and sides, fine if you like th elook
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The framing is all I want it for, the decking would be something else, posibbly just concrete, no deck. Concrete slab already poured, wanted to block Bamboo growth. Could be topped with cement for smoother finish. Thought of putting cedar fence slats inside and out, really minimize exposure. 3/4x5 1/2 by 6ft ablout 2.50 at HD.
<I get irritation from just working with it with pants on,>
I almost always work with my pants on.
Except for those "special jobs"
Forrest
Your starting to sound like Luka. One good oneliner after another. Did you guys ever send the tiles? If you did, I didn't get them.Kevin
Ahhh.
They were near you the last two weeks. DW took all her stock up to Solomons and Anapolis, and wound up consigning or selling all of them (hurrah!). She is getting back on the tile-making horse tomorrow to replenish stock. Yours WILL come out of that.
Forrest
Just wanted to make sure they weren't lost, I'll happilly pay for them, if you'd prefer.
No! No problem there - her trip plans came up just as we were planning to send them out.
Forrest
Hey Forrest,Just checking in, wondered how the tile business is going. Any new pictures? I've been away from the board for awhile, might have missed the updates. Sort of a 12 step program to break my breaktime habit. I was addicted, probably will be again. Oh well:)
Hey, Kevin-
Have you been trying to get addicted to golf again?
Funny you should say that Shep. I have Thursday's off and usually go down the shore to work on the house. Since getting my CO, I go less frequently. Today I stayed home so my wife could play, she rarely plays and I like to give her a break from the kids. Lets try and get together for a round before it gets to cold.
Give me a week's or so notice, so I can arrange my schedule, and I'm in.
If you want, we can play Colts Neck. If your still working down there, maybe put in a 1/2 day and play the afternoon, early enough to get 18 in.
Colts Neck would be cool. I'm working in Greenbrook for the next week, but I could easily get down there in 45 minutes or so, so an afternoon tee time works well for me.
How about someday during the week starting the 13th?
I'm off on Thursday, but I picked Colts Neck because I thought you might be working there. Lets try and find a place 1/2 way, Rutgers might be less of a drive for you, not sure where Greenbrook is. Rutgers is in Piscataway, as you probably know.
Kevin- Rutgers is very convenient for me. Do you want to figure on playing on Thurs. the 16th?
I forget where you are- Sayreville?
16th is good, let me know what time, I'm available all day. Parlin, but it's part of Sayreville.
Hey man - sorry to leave you hanging. DW is selling everything she makes, and is trying to get ahead on production, and set up for a shop end of the month.
Nice situation to be in!
Forrest
No sweat, does she have a web site or catalog of pieces with prices yet, something I could look at?
Not yet - but coming soon!
Forrest
I almost always work with my pants on.
Except for those "special jobs"
You still wear the toolbelt though, don't you?
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Hey, that brings something to mind - Now that you are a certified lighting engineer, do you study lightning bugs with the kids?What makes those critters lite up? Seems like it must be efficient energy wise.You went and brought biology into it!;)
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Hey - I agree. Men are working on it.
Top men.
Forrest
Shop around. ACQ is soon to be a thing of the past. Micropore is the latest and greatest. Supposedly much friendlier. By the way, my outdoor shower is planked with the pre-ACQ stuff, real arsenic and other toxic goodies. Everyone showers with flip-flops. Actual contact with the wet wood is minimal, no body is rolling around naked down there. Risks from mosquito bites are probably greater.
Try hemlock instead. Tough, cheap, naturally rot resistant, and rustic looking. I build docks out of it, among other things.
I wouldn't put that ACQ cräp where my worst enemy could touch it....
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Wow. Around here Hemlock is considered garbage wood. It is only used for pallets and to make ACQ. You can't even sell it for firewood.
Dino... sure you don't mean D. Fir? (I often confuse the looks of them) Hemlock rots pretty quick around here...Scott.Always remember those first immortal words that Adam said to Eve, “You’d better stand back, I don’t know how big this thing’s going to get.”
I've been through this before, and I can only conclude that there must be some other species out there somewhere which is also known as hemlock, but which doesn't have the resistant properties of our hemlock. The wood I'm talking about can sit in mud or a lake or a post hole for 20+ years and show almost no signs of rot or wear.
We call it 'pruche' in French; we translate that to 'hemlock' in English. I find two species in the genus: Tsuga canadensis (Eastern Hemlock), and Tsuga heterophylla (Western Hemlock). Neither species is related to the Eurpoean weed (poison hemlock) which killed Socrates.
Here are a couple of links to wood-book descriptions of these two trees.
http://www.macphailwoods.org/tree/hemlock.html
http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfd/library/documents/treebook/westernhemlock.htm
Since I'm in the east, I would figure the stuff I'm using is tsuga canadensis.
Dinosaur
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I think the differing species might explain it. We've definitely got Tsuga heterophylla here, which doesn't have a reputation for decay resistance, at least not in comparison with Pseudotsuga menziesii (D. Fir). I can't find any reference to Tsuga canadensis in any of my western forest books.Scott.Always remember those first immortal words that Adam said to Eve, “You’d better stand back, I don’t know how big this thing’s going to get.”
Tsuga canadensis is an eastern tree; I wouldn't expect it to turn up in a BC listing. I got my info on it from an organisation in PEI.
Just for fun, run 'hemlock wood' through Google; there's a BC forestry service report on western hemlock which gives all its properties.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
I had a quick look. It looks like an interesting article, but I wish they could have explained what Relative Density by X-ray Densitometry, Juvenile Wood Determination, Compression Wood, and Longitudinal Shrinkage have to do with decay resistance or any other performance standard. (I dunno, maybe the intended audience is expected to know about comparative standards, I don't.)Scott.Always remember those first immortal words that Adam said to Eve, “You’d better stand back, I don’t know how big this thing’s going to get.”
They are thinking henfir probably;)Is your hemlock same as hackmatack or tammarack?
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Is your hemlock same as hackmatack or tammarack?
Doesn't look like it; there are two species in the genus larix for the common name 'hackmatack', and 'tamarack' is listed as a synonym:
I ain't gonna try to tell you what a Google search on 'henfir' brought up. My Danish isn't good enough for one thing; for another any translation into Henglish looks like it would very quickly run afoul the censors. One search return item had something to do with lesbians and wood softball bats. (No, I'm not making that up. And double no, I didn't go to the site....)
Dinosaur
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Well, I admit to another typo, but you have tears in my eyes from laughing too hard.Have you tryed heMfir?The tamarck I think is a larch and looses its needles in winter. Knees were used for ribs and keels. straight for fence posts. Grows in wet soils.I do think it is different from hemlock. I have hemlock beams in my place.
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Much better you should cry from laughing too hard, than for any other reason....
Dinosaur
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I gave up crying for the other reasons.But
coming from you, that means something.
Be well.
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You might contact a fence install company for that cedar 4x4. If they'll let you pick through their stock you should be able to find straight/no wane posts for much less than at the lumberyard.
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