Antique dwr pull from hades: HELP!!!!!
This is an old drawer pull off one of my Mom’s dressers that I’ve been searching for everywhere IRL and online, for coupla months now. NO SUCCESS. It has a broken off bit but as is seemingly cast bronze, not sure if it is possible to jury rig a fix? which is something I’m now willing to entertain as the search for a replacement has me feeling like a total failure…and I gotta face my Mom end of this month and go……SOORRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYY if I cannot find replacement for this.
I’ve now searched thru so many online hardware sites my eyes are ’bout glazed over.
Here’s pics of the pull, both front sides, and backsides in the attachments.
Again, TIA for looking and if anyone knows where I can find replacement for this, I’ll be eternally grateful!!!
Clara
Only dead fish swim with the stream.
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Edited 8/5/2007 4:12 pm by mizshredder2
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Don't know for sure about that particular pull but if your considering total replacement try:
http://www.rejuvenation.com
They have a catalog which is chock (is that a word) full of antique reproduction stuff. Not cheap but then the old stuff wasn't cheap either.
Gotta try their antiques cuz when you go to their "drawer pull" page, you get 13 choices...
http://www.rejuvenation.com/typepageDrawer%20Pulls/templates/houseparts_group.html
their selection of 62 antique pulls doesn't help much either...SIGH!
http://www.rejuvenation.com/antique/hardware_collection.html?coll=kb&all=true
Any other site suggestions?
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Edited 8/4/2007 1:27 pm by mizshredder2
http://www.whitechapel-ltd.com/http://www.whitechapel-ltd.com/http://www.ballandball-us.com/http://houseofantiquehardware.com/http://www.crowncityhardware.com/index.html
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Whitechapel - BTDT (previously and again now) and couldn't find a match. COULD YOU?
will ck out your other sites/urls now
Previous searches I've done included:
http://robinsonsantiques.com/Whom I emailed and enquired about their services for a custom fix...NEVER got response to any of my emails.
http://www.whitechapel-ltd.com/
I originally ck'd back in May/June, and again now. I've also checked: http://www.horton-brasses.com/products/parts
on advice of a good friend... (but no luck)
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Edited 8/4/2007 1:58 pm by mizshredder2
To steal a phrase.I report, you search..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
I reported some more places I've already done major searches thru (til my eyes hurt). I shoulda kept a running list of all the websites I'd searched so could post those and say: don't steer me to THESE. But honestly, when I started this Holy Grail, I had no idea it was going to prove to be such a challenge!
I truly DO appreciate your suggestions and willingnes to help tho. THANKS.
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Note that if you can find a good match for the handle, you should be able to swap. In addition to the option of taking off one knobby thing, you could grind down one pin a bit, then snap it in place with a spring in the opposite socket to hold it tight. (Or, drill/tap through the opposite socket and insert a set screw, then cover with solder or brass-tinted epoxy.)
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Or (still brainstorming), drill/tap through the knob on the broken side and thread a screw in to mate with a small hole drilled in the handle. Should let you get things tighter than if drill/tapping the handle.Oh, oh, oh!! Bend a piece of brass wire in an L, drill a hole in the back of the bulge in the handle, insert short leg of L and solder. With luck you could do the soldering while everything was assembled.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
And, of course, there's always the option to replace all the pulls with new (old) ones.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
yeah, I know...
but she has 2 dressers of same style (one mirrored, one "high boy") and hardware and total amount of pulls beween the 2 dressers is something like...oh...lessee, 6 drawers on the highboy and about 9 on the other at 2 pulls apeice is 15x2 = 30 new pulls.
ouch! (hey now, I already paid to rehab her garage, replace her chimney, restore her porch, replace its rotted columns...install porch railings, aye carumba - no wonder sh*d at my own home takes a back seat...!?!?)
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Oh, oh, oh!! Bend a piece of brass wire in an L, drill a hole in the back of the bulge in the handle, insert short leg of L and solder. With luck you could do the soldering while everything was assembled.
I'm looking at the handle (you look at picture 2 of what I posted in post#1) and I'm trying to figure out what you're saying above...and and and...crap. I dunno what you mean.
Sketch a pic for me??? mebbe?
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Like this:
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So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Actually, looking at the pics again, you'd want to fold the wire at about a 45 degree angle (an open L) and drill the hole into the knob at a 45. That would put the wire into the "meat" of the knob.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
at House of Antiques website...they only have ONE 4.5" on center bail pull...here's what IT looks like (note it requires 4 screws to mount!)
Sniff sniff
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Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
crown city hdwe site has one that "could possibly" be a donor for the bail pull itself EXCEPT it doesn't come in 4.5" c-c; only 4 inch...
BWAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Ebay
EBAY: still looking...
still looking
still looking
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
I spent over an hour on the web googling imaages of "antique drawer pulls" "drawer pull" and then just now went to the shop to rummage my collection of salvage.That style and the long post spread are going to make it a very hard task. I'd be trying to use epoxy or a metal worker by now.Good luck. I gave it the old college try, but I didn't finish college either...;)
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I hate to give up an virtually anything but I fear this one's got me beat.
I really did mean it when I originally posted that I'd looked at virtually every hardware website one can find for the past coupla months and my eyes had pretty much glazed over.
It is now definitely an issue of effecting some kinda "fix" and I'm bringing it with me to Northfest to see what attendees think once they see it IRL.
Here's hoping you may yet make it there so I can buy ya a beer in thanks for your time/efforts on this.
'Preciatecha!
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
should know more about fest after next friday
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Where's your creativity, I'm shocked? Drill two holes in the front of the drawer, a 3/4 spade bit will work, and tie a knot in a short piece of rope, feed the rope through one hole from inside the drawer then back through the second hole and tie a second knot in the remaining rope end. Cut off the excess, to keep it neat and clean, and POOOFFFF, you've got brand new drawer pulls! And get this, they're replaceable whenever they should wear out. You could buy several feet of spare rope and keep it in bottom drawer so that you save the trip to the store at a later date. This final tip will also solve the problem of finding "matching" rope to the remaining pulls. Imagine how tacky that would look if all the pulls weren't made of matching rope.
What do you think, is that a plan or what?
Aw c'mon now - who needs a 3/4" hole when I can thread dental floss thru the existing holes right now?
And add "temp drawer pulls" to the long hallowed list of things one can do with Floss!?!?!?
;-)
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Ha!
More seriously, since there are two pieces with the same pulls, pick a top drawer and remove the pull, replacing it with a different (if possible more ornate) style. It was not unusual for the top drawer of a dresser/whatever to have a different style pull, especially if it was a thinner drawer for personal items.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
There's also http://www.vandykes.com and http://www.antiquehardware.com. Rockler also has a few items.George Patterson
I'd ck'd those out - no luck
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Take it to any decent jewelry repair shop. They can braze on a new bit and shape it for you, then patina to match. A foundry (for casting bronze sculptures), if you have one nearby, can do it just as well, since they assemble the larger castings from pieces that have to be welded together and shaped. I have both connections if you don't come up with anything locally.
Or do you need a separate pull in addition to that one? That can also be done, but they have to make a mold of that one first, so it gets more expensive.
I like the way you think.
But in brazing on a new bit - how does it get installed back within the holding escutcheon plate's "holders" (what do I call those things? and, they're like almost ...hmmm...what's a good word choice...POP RIVETED on pieces that form the spherical looking (but hollowed out) holders for the brazed ends of the pull itself.
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Yeah, the knobby things are likely swaged into the holes that also serve as the screw holes. Probably the best bet would be to un-swage one of them and remove it (if this seems possible), then assemble and solder the removed knob back into place.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
the knobby things are likely swaged into the holes that also serve as the screw holes
YUP - as is clearly seen in the pics...
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
The hack fix would be to drill and tap the handle for a screw, drive a headless screw all the way in, then back it out after assembly. But you couldn't put the pin in the same place as the old one --- would have to be more in the center of the bulging part that the old pin came out of.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Yeah, I hear ya.
I was talking on the phone to one of my bros and as best we can guess - our Mom has had that dresser (and its drawer pulls) for over 40 years... We've all been looking since early May in stores in our respective regions, while at garage sales, antique stores, etc. Is a real booger.
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
40 years? So it was made in the 60s. You can probably give up on the antique and restoration hardware outfits, then; they don't do anything that recent.George Patterson
I suppose i would call them 'sockets'.
Sorry, i assumed the sockets were snugged up when the bolts were tightened. If they were swaged in place, it might be possible to press or pry it apart carefully .... can't tell from here.
If they're swaged the best way to remove would probably be with a large diameter twist drill to remove the swaged lip..
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Seems to me that ruins the escutcheon, but hard to tell the right course of action without a close inspection. It's also possible sometimes to bend the bail enough to fit the pins, then bend it back.
You just remove the lip on the back, then work the knob out of the hole. If it can't then be held in place with a dab of superglue and the mounting screw, you solder it back in place.
So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin
Is there a maker's mark on the furniture? If so, you might try checking Ebay and other places for a piece of furniture made in that shop or locale. If you get lucky enough to find one with the same hardware, buy it for the hardware, replace every pull, and resell it.
re makers mark on the furniture: good idea. I'll be up there end of the month and will ck that out and see if that option bears fruit...!
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Look on the back of the plate. Note the letters/numbers stamped thereon.
This will tell you who made the pulls.
If there is a 'K' or 'KB' it would be a Keeler Brass part. Try 1-336-841-4220. Located in High Point NC.
Yup.
on backside is marking "KBC 2" and at other end "N-600"
I've noted that phone number you gave (thanks!) and tried to call them couple of times so far but their phone is always busy!
will google 'em
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Ok,I ran a Google search for that and hit a site where a lot of people have your problem. Apparently a furniture company named "Young-Hinkle" used a lot of this hardware. Some of the people were willing to sell piece of furniture if the price was right. You might get lucky there. Or you might find buyers for all the drawer pulls you have and be able to replace all of them with better!
http://furninfo.com/forum/message_view.asp?TID=736George Patterson
Interesting website!
caught the same reference to place for Keeler Replacement Dept and phone as Ralph Wickland referred me to many posts ago but every time I call that number it is BUSY BUSY BUSY BUSY
and when I did reach a human at Hickory Hardware (the outfit that is the conglomeration of 5 former hardware places including keeler...) they didn't have it and referred me to the Keeler Replacement dept and phone number that Ralph had given me (see para above!!!) and said "ask for Sue McDonald"! Well SUREEEEEEEEEE - be happy to - if I could only ever call them and not run up against a busy busy busy signal!
sigh
LOVE your final suggestion though. Made me LOL and then go: HMMMMMMMMM...
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
You know...I never could get a human to answer that number for Keeler! it just rang and rang and rang...
And this week, heard from a bud that Keeler went outta business. Seems when they morphed over to doing auto parts stuff (???) they got going down the road paved with good intentions.
?
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Ya know... the only thing you didn't try was to bring the parts to the fest and turn us loose on it.
Not true! I had it there and it was passed around but...IIRC, twas before you and your Mrs. showed up.
Ah well, all's well that ends well, eh?
I AM mulling over though the "cycle back to BT and post how things turned out" bit as the other poster above that just read post #1 clearly didn't ever get to read that I'd just updated the thread to show how things turned out. SO now I wonder what I should say to him/her other than "uhmmm, thanks?!"?
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Darn, I just threw 4 of those away...
"I never met a man who didn't owe somebody something."
why I oughtta kick your buttski!
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Clara
the picture that shows the back of the handle has some type of code or part # but it's not clear enough in the picture for me to read it might be possible to google it
zeeya
Edited 8/5/2007 8:44 pm ET by ZEEYA
93121.44
are the markings.
other than Keeler brass, got any suggestions?
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
repost the the stud...
cake and pie..
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
repost the stud
clear as mud
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
repair the broken stud by replacing it...
it's a DIY project...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
oooooooooooooooooooookkkkkkkkkkk
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
So after a lot of thoughts and having major hesitation on my part to try and drill a hole looking closely at how close to edge I'd be and askered to fug it up...
I brought it to jeweler in AR. They didn't even wanna mess with it.
I brought it to jeweler here in WI in my hometown. They said "zero liability and we'll charge no less than $50 for attempting to screw a space and insert a new post" the Zero Liability meaning if they broke it in the attempt, they'd still get paid for trying...
Then they mentioned a local do it all kinda shop. I headed there but they were closed... so went across the river to town there to visit some family friends while I was already out and about. They own their own Custom Mold shop and have a lot of tools and are super duper nice people.
They looked at it and said: let us give it a go!
And voila - 10 minutes later a new post was inserted and it was put together in a functioning fashion and that was GOOD ENOUGH for this guvmint worker!
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
If all you need is the pin on the end of the bail, just drill a hole and insert a piece of brazing rod to match.
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
good place for your tag line, eh?;)
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I'm ready to try that. May have to swing by PONYTL's in Memphis on my trip to WI and see if I can bum some "brazing rod to match" since that's not something I got laying around here.
I may bring it to NORTHFEST with me first and see if T.H. has a drill press to do a nice precise drill hole for inserting a new post.
With my "Sh*t for luck", I'd make a mess of it trying to do so with a hand held drill while I got this in a vise...
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
You certainly need a drill press for the repair. It could be a bit more complicated depending on the type of metal and thickness of the bail. A shouldered pin might be necessary. It may be the only sensible alternative to finding a replacement or having something custom made. That isn't an antique and it may not be brass. A machine shop could do the job fairly inexpensively. I wouldn't guarantee it for life but it's better than nothing.Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
dremel tool and a light touch...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Probably zinc. They sell a solder for alum and zinc that is doable with a propane torch. Flux is only needed if it is zinc. The only prep is a stainless steel wire brush. The stuff works well.
Finding a similar pull is a crap shoot, chances are you won't find the exact match. When I need a repair, I send the item to Ball & Ball - they are quite capable of repairing it, but they are expensive and do take some time.
A second place is Ed Dondaldson Hardware - Ed and his wife buy old hardware, fix it up and resell it on their web site. Let hime take a look at your pictures - he may have something or can possible repair it for you. Because he buys old hardware, he does have experience removing items and can give you guidance. He is a good resource. http://www.eddonaldson.com/
Ed Donaldson must be very busy dude...as I recognized his website as soon as I opened the URL you posted...and went to my email and sure enough, his was one of the places I previously visited many weeks ago and sent email inquiry to - AND NEVER HEARD BACK!
but ok, try try again...right?
So just emailed him AGAIN.
Now I'll go back and see about ball and ball.
but since I'm not having a ball, maybe I'll go see about a beer instead.
sigh
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
I usually just call Ed - I only use the email for orders. With Ball & Ball, you have to send them the item, then they will give you a quote for the repair - unless you are in the Philadelphia/Lancaster PA area where they are located and go directly there.
I'm in the central AR area and my intentions on weekdays to make any phone calls for my own personal business, generally go straight to the good intentions drawer since my days are jam packed from 0700 CDT to 1700...
But I'll keep trying.
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
What Imerc said......seriously.
I be using a new bit of brass rod fer the fix and with creativity you could age it up real nice.............hold it over some battery acid fumes might give it that old patina. Nobody would ever know.People talk about insanity like its a bad thing........
drano....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Thanks dudePeople talk about insanity like its a bad thing........
That does it. I'm bringing it to northfest with me FOR SURE and see what the gang there thinks it is made out of and what type rod to use to effect a fix etc etc! and if Pif gets there...well heck, we'll fix his glasses while we're at it too
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Read the coupla posts above...and here's the pic of it "fixed":
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
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Just wanted to say a big THANKS AGAIN to y'all for once again being so helpful and just the best dang resource on the net there is for anything and everything to do with houses!
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
miz-
Take it to a jewelry shop for repair and be done with it.
If they can fix Pif's glasses they can fix anything.
93121.68
so there!
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
You could do it yourself. But you would have to be pretty good at working with small stuff.
Here's how I would do it. You want a pin sticking out so drill a hole in the handle in alignment with the pivot. Drill it all the way through. It looks like the old pin was about an 1/8" in dia. If you drilled an 1/8" hole you wouldn't have enough meat left in the handle so drill a 1/16" hole. Instead of drilling the hole in the center of where the old one broke off move it a little down where there is more meat.
Once you have the hole drilled go to the hardware store and find a bit just a little bit bigger than 1/16". They should have bits in wire size that graduate in very small increments. Cut the drill bits shank off to the length that you want to stick out and go through the body of the handle. Insert the handle in the good side and push through the pin into the socket on the other side. the friction fit should hold it fine.
If you are concerned about the 1/16" pin rattling in the socket. you could put a sleeve on it to bring up the dia to 1/8".
Like I said, this is for detail oriented kind of people. But I've done lots of this stuff.
BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting!
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
you forgot to hi-lite boldface
this is what was in my email inbox...(couldn't access anything electric last nite as got home and power outage due to wicked bad fatal car wreck wiped out power pole and couple of lives...and so what's alittle darkness?) anyway, today got to retrieve the latest SOL type msg I got from prior enquiries made. Will be nice if they ever "get back wtih me" once they've had a chance to talk to Mr. Lawless.
From: "D. Lawless Wholesale" <[email protected]>Reply-To: "D. Lawless Wholesale" <[email protected]>Subject: Re: 'Find Products Not On Our Site'Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:47:28 -0500Dear Customer,
Thank you for your email. I am sorry, we do not have pulls like the one you are looking for. We will ask Mr. Lawless if the numbers from the back of you pull can help us find them for you, however he is out of the office until next week. We will get back with you once we have had a chance to talk with him. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thank you for visiting our site.
Sincerely,
Sheri
Customer Service
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Take Me to D.Lawless Hardware Website
Only dead fish swim with the stream. Author Unknown
Drill a through hole through the two separated parts of the bail. place the broken nub piece back in the socket line up the drilled holes and drive in a 'roll pin' ( The 'fix' will show, but swap location to a less prominent drawer.
Steinmetz
Same search, 6 years later
Dear mizshredder2,
My parents have a set of three furniture pieces in their bedroom that have the identical drawer pulls that you were looking for 6 years ago. Two of the pulls have been broken off for years. I thought I would try to find two replacements to give them for their anniversary. Sadly for me, an ebay seller had two of them in May (3 months ago), but I just missed them when I started looking last month, and the buyer used them already (as opposed to being a re-seller).
By any chance have you found any of these drawer pulls since the day 6 years ago when you wrote this post?
David
user
if the email address I have for Miz is correct-I sent her a link to this page-she might get it and come back to reply.
best of luck.
chances of finding an exact replacement is about ZERO. If you take it to an architectural metalworking place they might have a guy good at repairs, or you might ask around at welding shops for a name of someone who does metal repair. In any town there's a number of people from metal working artists, to welders, to machinists, to shop teachers that would be good at fixing it. It's a rather simple job of repairing the metal, but getting the finish back to looking antique will be more difficult.