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   Guest_ | Jun 17, 1999 03:30am | #1

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   I don't even know a butler, let alone the sink they use.

   So solly, couldn't resist.

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   Chris_Johnson | Jun 18, 1999 06:52am | #2

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   http://www.vermontsalvage.com

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   Bill_C._Smith | Jun 19, 1999 04:31am | #3

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   You know, the kitchen sinks that stick out of the front of the cabinet?

   I've only found two sources, and they are both over $800.

   I'll be making the cabinets, any special considerations?

   Thanks,
   Bill

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   Guest_ | Jun 19, 1999 04:31am | #4

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   Koehler makes two sizes and I think a couple of decorative patterns in the front panel. Larger size is 33" wide and is called "Dickenson." Seems to me it retails for around $450. Not common at discounters. I've heard them genericly called "farm sinks." The "butler" sinks I've seen referred to are the old fashioned metal ones (copper or nickel) with the "S" shaped divider between basins.

   Cabinetry depends on how you mount it. The Koehler can be dropped in, tiled in or under mounted (I think it's all the same sink but check to be sure it's not a different model for each application). 1) If you undermount it will have to be carried by extra framing in the cabinet. That much cast iron plus a load of water is pretty heavy. 2) Depth of that front opening must be tailored to mounting configuration and thickness of counter top. Got to be precise. If working from specs be sure to pick up the right dimension. We ordered our sink base for undermount and 2" top. We did not get shop drawings to review. Shop picked up depth to bottom of drain reinforcement rather than depth to bottom of front apron from Koehler specs. Opening was 1/8 shallow and the sink sat 1/8 high relative to bottom of counter top. Installer wanted to shim up the top and hide the space along the front with caulk, said counter top was warped or that it was an irregularity in the casting. We said NOOOOOOOOO. Had to rabbet an additional 1/8 into that front opening and repaint (they are white). 3) The 2 bottom corners of the apron have a radius looking straight on from front. If the opening is square you will have a shadow there or you have to fill it with caulk. Alternatively match the radius in the opening. 4) Decide if the apron is flush with with cabinet faces (that creates the issue at #3 above) or will stand proud. If proud the opening size is less critical. 5) The sides of the apron on the Koehler have a small radius and then die quickly. It does not permit the sink to be very proud of the face. The English version (??? maker, maybe more than one, maybe china not cast iron ???) has more depth at the side of the apron and some of the designers prefer them for that look. 7) The apron front, particularly if undermounted, gives you a rather short space under the sink. At least the door opening is short. This impacts the height of trash containers and so forth you might fit into the space. If installing a disposal, be sure you figure finish height to be sure trap arm height is OK and allows positive drainage.

   It was a year ago, that's all I can remember. Good luck.