Ayone wired a Taylor soft serve freezer?
Attn, electrical and plumbing geniuses!
My daughter and SIL bought a Taylor soft serve freezer and were going to get it shipped to their home. They intend to start experimenting and developing a variety of recipes for their upcoming Soft serve business that they are opening.
I looked at the spec sheet for the required electrical hookup and of course, I don’t understand it becuase it is written in an alien language.
Could someone that is educated about commercial electrical hookups advise me so I can advise them. We most likely will be using an electrician to hook it up, but at this point I’m not sure that a residential service will be enough to get this thing going. They do have an available spot to do their test runs in a friend commercial shop, but that would add a layer of inconvenience.
Here’s link to the freezers spec sheet.
http://www.taylor-company.com/product/s_pdf/s0339.pdf
blue
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blue,
it looks like you will need two 2 pole breakers for whichever unit they have ...
look at the first two lines in the spec under electrical
the left side needs a 25A max breaker and the right gets a 20A
that is the only combo you can use in ####resi panel.
what Bob said,.....plus, I hope they did not buy a three phase unit the last number in each line will tell ya 208/20/60/1............. or three phase ....................................208/230/60/3
Edited 11/17/2005 7:14 pm by maddog3
Blue-
Depends on the electrical plate on the unit itself. The specs say that the unit is available to suit a number of possible electrical scenarios, most in the 208-230 volt range, both single phase and 3-phase. If the actual unit they're buying is a 208-230V, single phase unit (like the first one listed- 208-230V/1, they may be able to operate it from a 220V circuit at the house. If it's a 208-230/3, it needs 3-phase power, which even some small commercial establishments don't have.
Bob
This is what I hope they ordered to be able to experiment with it at home:
220-240/50/1 Air 20 15 16 12 2P 3W
The 220/240 Volts is what you have at home.
The 50 is for hertz/cycles -we have 60 in our homes- can this unit operate on 60 also??
The "1" is for single "phase" or regular power to homes.
Air- is for air cooled versus water cooled for disposal of cooling condensor heat
20 15- size of breakers needed. (type of breakers below)
16 12- the amperage draw in the 2 circuits. 16 needs #12 AWG wire and 12 needs #14 AWG wire
2P 3W- for 2 pole breaker and 3 wire cable- red, black, white + ground
Thanks folks for all your replies. I've got enough information now to be dangerous.
The actual machine will be delivered tomorrow. I'll just go look on the plate and bring back the actual numbers.
The machine was purchased used on Ebay so there's no telling what the actual specs are. It was a very low priced used unit and if they made a big mistake and can't actually use it, they won't be out too much money. I suppose they'll just put it back up for sale on Ebay and consider it a lesson learned if they lose a couple of hundred in the exchange.
I was looking forward to being a guinnea pig, but now I'm kinda getting dissappointed thinking that it won't be powered up anytime soon. That's depressing. I actually ate a salad today to save some caloric room for tomorrows testing.
I'll follow up tomorrow with specific data.
blue
If it doesn't just plug in.... I can't help you.
But I need to get something straight....
You're gonna have a softserve machine IN YOUR HOUSE for awhile? Man, oh man..... I'd be about 300 lbs by the time spring came around. I'd be all fat and stuck to the couch watching Oprah when they finally found me.
"This is what I hope they ordered to be able to experiment with it at home:220-240/50/1 Air "Why?The 208-230/60/1 would be more appropriate.
208 volts is one of the voltages taken from a 3 phase service. Would the unit with these specs be able to operate on the 240 Volts that is now standard in our electrical service supply from the street or is there a chance of too much power being delivered leading to overheating of circuits?
Yes.
Read each leg of the 208 service to ground and you will get 120V. Read across the two hot lines and you get 208V.
Read each leg of a normal residential sevice to ground and you get from 110 to 120V. Read between the two hot legs and it will be from 220 to 240V.
The 208-230V is a range , not an either or, indication.
Dave
My concern is that up here the power quality and voltage are pretty good. The lowest that I've recently measured between a hot and ground is 118.9 V and between the 2 poles in a residential is 239. The service provider here is really trying to keep the 240 voltage as steady as possible for industry. That's why I was concerned about the 208/230 rating!
Stop your bickering you two and find me a solution to my lack of available space in my service panel.
Can I temporarily unhook my AC and use those two spots, or would that affect my furnace?
blue, I would say that the AC feed is separate from the furnace, so I would say, yes you can do just what you ask.. or maybe double up a couple of your general circuitsif it is long term however ,I would have your electrician install a small subpanel.I'll have a double-dipped please,with a plain cone
Edited 11/18/2005 5:12 pm by maddog3
Maddog, it will be short term and I'd rather not add a subpanel because it won't ever be needed after 6 months elapse. The machine is headed for Texas after that.
I have a briliant idea! I'll shut the breaker off on the AC and see if the furnace works!
blue
there you go thinkin' blue..
Unhook the wire from the A/C breaker (double pole 30A/240V). It only feeds the compressor, not the furnace fan, which is a single ploe 120v/15 or 20 amp, if you have ng heat.
Dave
Thanks for all the replies folks. I've got an electrician coming and he's already decided that he'd probably be able to get this installation done without a sub panel. He said that the unused dryer spots would be a big help.
I'll update this thread when he's done. I think he'd doing it Saturday and by Sunday, I'll be so fat that I will have to sit here forever.
blue
For some historic reason motors are rated at the MINIMUM operating voltage, not the nominal.So motors are rated for 115 and 230 volts (among others).Go check you AC, dishwasher, and any power tools with INDUCTION motors.
I always thought it had to do with the tolerances,5% for the Utility
3% NEC
10% equipmentbut then 208 Y came along and changed that ...
....and to add the fact that if that machine ends up in leased space , any damage caused using a 50Hz machine will most likely end up their rsponsibility, and not the landlords.... since that rating is for other countries..... like France
Dont fret about 50mz. I've got the goods.
The plate said 208/230/60/1
The guy delivering it services them. He told us that it needs two separate circuits, both 220's. He was surprised that both supply cords had plug ends on them. They are three pronged plugs: HBL2621 30amp 50volts.
It looks like the installation will be much simpler. Only one problem: the service panel is full! There is an unused dryer circuit that is currently wired but not used. That will be one circuit.
How can we squeeze another without doing a service change?
Can we temporarily steal the AC circuit? It's winter and we don't need AC.
blue
Edited 11/18/2005 10:44 am ET by blueeyeddevil
This has nothing to do with hooking it up but trying to fix it later. Any experience I have had with Taylor is that you can ONLY buy parts from them AND you must be factory authorized which means of course you are at their mercy. I had a customer that had to call their authorized dealer and ended up getting all sorts of things fixed because the authorized guy wouldn't fix just the one thing but had to bring it all up to specs before he would fix anything. Of course there wasn't anybody else he could call. I hope things have changed but I doubt it.
roger
Roger, I really wouldn't know whether they have changed their policy, but I doubt it. When you are dealing with the leading manufacturer in any industry, sometimes they have the upper hand on you. I really don't think anyone would mind bringing their equipment up to specs, but obviously this was something that your client didn't want to do. There's no doubt that it costs more to do business in the commercial arena, but then again, there's more cash available to pay out too.