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Yes, I have heard of that before. In fack BT works the same way.
"HD got caught a couple of years ago selling substandard 14/2 wiring. It didn't meet the 90* temperature rating. So they had a sale. I'm wondering how many people took advantage of this sale and put this stuff in their house? "this is a quote from that forum, anybody have any info on this?
No I never heard of this.I don't believe that it ever happened. For many reasons.First of all the liability. Look at any recall and see how it is handled. Product itremoved from the shelf and sold product is recalled, often with a buyback. Secondly EXACTLY HOW was it substandard and how was it found out. There are no details given about what kind of "wiring" that this was. But I am assumine NM as that is the most common type. Now was it marked NM-B. If so that would be clear consumer fraud.And why are you interested?
why am i interested? because like the rest of us, i carry a roll of 14/2 and a few electrical boxes and fittings as im sure you do too
i want to make sure that the stuuf in my truck is legal for use here
What are the markings on the cable?BTW, I am not sure, but I think that NM-B came in the mid 80's so an stock of NM should have long been gone.
i dont have any, just read about this on this other website. but like i said before, ive always carried a spool of wire in my truck like many of us, for that little job in the middle of a reno
i guess in my ignorance,i thought that any 14/2 wire available at a place like home depot would be approved for my uses in home reno's especially when it looks just like the stuff ive always bought in the past
IIRC, there were some code changes a few years ago that raised wire temperature ratings - and changed 14 ga romex from white to yellow. Lots of places cleared out their old inventory before the new rules went into effect.
I'm no HD fan, but if that's what they were "caught" doing then many others are just as "guilty" - lol
I thought the 12ga. went yellow?
14 is white, 12 is yellow.
Joe H
Oops, my bad. It was early and I guess I had a senior moment - lol
I stand with my point however. If stores got rid of wire before the codes changed, they weren't selling "substandard" wire.
The color code of the cables is fairly recent (about 3-4 years) and has nothing to do with the temp rating.
I was under the impression that the industry did the color code thing. To make it easier for non english speaking or reading people to pull it.
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my sparkie told me they changed colors to make the inspector's job easier.
Now they don't have to read the wire to see if it's the right gauge.
There's probably some element of truth in what both of us were told.
I think color-coding makes things easier for everyone...and not just with wiring either.I special order my torx bits from GRK because each size is a different color. I use a plenty of T-10 and T-15 screws and I find it very helpful to have yellow bits (T-10) and red bits (T-15).Those small torx bits can be hard to tell apart and reading the little number stamped on the side of them is a pain. Being able to instantly tell them apart is great (also true of the T25/green and T30/red.
The slang term for it here is "Mexican wire"
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Bill -
Do you know if they changed the temperature rating when they changed the color or was that done at a different time? I know that color has no effect on temp rating but I thought that both changes were made at the same time.
Like so many others, I'm a big fan of color coding...............and larger print! - lol I'm tempted to toss out my 45 year collection of sockets and replace them with those new Craftsman sockets with the BIG lettering.
IIRC the temperature change was over 20 years ago. The romex was labled NM for non-metallic and was rated for 60°C. The temperature change is noted by the lable NM-B and is 90°C. The color change was recently, since 2000. It is just a size designation, and you can still use white NM-B romex. You may have to point out the NM-B lable after he dings you!Frank DuVal You can never make something foolproof because fools are so ingenious.
Yeah, those are about the dates I recall.
If ignorance is bliss why aren't more people
happy?
What's with the beefcake builder dude at the top?
That you, you big stud?
That's Mike Holmes. HGTV carries his show, produced in Toronto, in which he goes around fixing builders' major, often sturctural, mistakes. In a recent show he dug out the perimeter around a foundation and found pieces of backing rod filling in the spaces bolts leave after the forms are taken down. He put three impermeable layers of the walls to block water coming into the basement. That sort of thing.
Sounds like that guy needs a cape.
That's Mike Holmes dude. Never takes those bibs off. Even when it's hotter then the blazes.
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I went through the process of registering over there just to find out the topic doesn't exist anymore.
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Bummer dude.
Maybe removed because it's bullsheet?
Maybe someone was thinking HD is gonna sue my azz big time if I leave stuff like this on the site?
Joe H