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   Piffin | Aug 31, 2005 11:35pm | #1

   That photo doesn't show much.

   Generally, if a gable end is truss framed, there would be no additional support needed other than the two ends.

   But if stick framed, there are a dozen variables to be considered in your Q. For instance - if there is a structural ridge beam, it must be supported to foundation, best if in a direct load path. A beam could have transferred loads.

   The quarter inch sag now doesn't mean anything. most plaes can hold themsselves up for a few weeks with half the support missing bvy just stressing the nails in the sheathing. But eventually something gives.

   And you don't even have a snow load or wind load on it now.

    

    

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   Piffin | Sep 01, 2005 12:07am | #2

   so - what you show in the first photo - is that what you are calling a beam? Or was there a solid beam under what shows there.

   by your descripotion, it sounds like a box beam. Do the bolts just run through those plates visible or do they continue up into the roof framing?

    

    

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   Huck | Sep 01, 2005 03:17am | #3

   Sounds to me like he removed a structural 6x6 post to improve the view, wants to put in a beam with bearing at each end but none in the middle to carry the load.

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   Piffin | Sep 01, 2005 03:32am | #4

   LOL, what a deal! You get me with mis-spellings and warts. Am I a celebrity now?

   Anyway, I just want to be sure I understand the situation first. Was the removed 6x6 under what shows there, or was is laid alongside of all that where the framing is open and not painted sunshine yellow?

   And do you want to try to remove more of what you have to improve the view, or are you just trying to solidify the existing?

   Do you have a photo showing the overall situation say from the exterior?
   These close up detail shots are good, and you have the terminology down pretty good, but I don't want to miss something here.

    

    

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   Matt | Sep 01, 2005 03:47am | #5

   Is the missing 6x6 a horozontal or a verticle member?

    

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   Piffin | Sep 01, 2005 03:52am | #6

   Lordy Matt! Now you've got me to wondering after another study of all those photos, if the beam was a post there where the arrow points or whether maybe it was a beam run perpendicular to this shown setup and back into the house wall under all that beaded cieling????? 

    

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   Piffin | Sep 01, 2005 04:06am | #7

   Shoot! there is no load on that. Just trim it out and paint it up.

   Where the birds going to build their nests now though?

   Six years! I thought you just removed the beam yesterday.

    

    

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   caveman | Sep 01, 2005 04:12am | #9

   Is there no load because it's on the gable end? 

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   Piffin | Sep 01, 2005 04:46am | #10

   Mainly that. But I had been wondering about the location of that porch within the gable end. If it were in the center instead of in the corner, then a beam might have been coming out from the house wall tying into it perpendicular. In such a placement, that beam would have been holding the cieling joists up. but that is what the wall that the step ladder leaning aainst is doing.or it could have been a strange cut up roof with intersecting dormers transferring loads all over the place. That is whay I wanted a photo of the overall. You've seen how many times folks come in here looking for free engineering and it is only after ten or twelve posts from tham that we find out most of the pertinent details, sometimnes things that change teh whole scenario. This one is sure and easy or you'd be reading the same old line, "hire a local engineer to assess your site situation" 

    

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   caveman | Sep 01, 2005 05:33am | #11

   Thanks for the explanation, particularly the reference about the wall with the ladder.

   oh yeah...I've seen plenty. Get a good laugh at times too. 

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   Piffin | Sep 01, 2005 04:08am | #8

   and git yer butt up there and trim those shingles off before the wind tears them off for ya.

   ;)

   Why is that hanging plant plugged in? I've never seen that trick before.

    

    

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   caveman | Sep 01, 2005 07:04am | #12

   >>That's why I haven't cut those shingles off. Just to far on a 7/12 roof for me to lean over<<

   Smart move!! Go with the pump jacks and you can do both... the siding and cut the shingles

    

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   FastEddie | Sep 01, 2005 07:26am | #13

   Did the 6x6 post go all the way to the ground?  or was it just up on the elevated porch?

    

    

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   Piffin | Sep 01, 2005 09:15pm | #14

   Help me keep this all clear in my mind - not that it changes anything structurally - but is the 6x6 "beam" you mentioned at the beginning of the thread really a 6x6 post run vertically? That would explain why I was having such a hard time graasping what you were trying to explain when I kept asking for more specifics about where the "beam" had been.

   if I were there, I could have those shingles cut off in five or ten minutes for you.

    

    

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   FastEddie | Sep 02, 2005 02:23am | #15

   Looks like it was a 6x6 post from the elevatyed deck to the porch roof.  When I saw the picture I was concerned that it was supposed to be supporting the deck.

     

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   Piffin | Sep 02, 2005 03:38am | #16

   From above? That would be un-eek! 

    

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