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| Posted in General Discussion on March 4, 2004 07:18am

I have a question about what qualifies someone as a master of a trade?  For example , Master Tile setter, master woodworker, master carpenter etc.

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    jonblakemore | Mar 04, 2004 07:27am | #1

    I have edited my message to protect me from my own stupidity.

    Jon Blakemore



    Edited 3/3/2004 11:53:28 PM ET by Jon Blakemore

    1. Piffin | Mar 04, 2004 07:33am | #2

      Jon, does that mean you don't know the answer?

      LOL

      It's a bit like pornography, hard to define, but you know it when you see it, right?

      BTW, this is the general discussion folder 

       

      Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

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        SamT | Mar 04, 2004 07:36am | #3

        And all this time I thought this was where we talked about fests.

        SamT

        Arguing with a Breaktimer is like mud-wrestling a pig -- Sooner or later you find out the pig loves it. Andy Engel

    2. GregGibson | Mar 04, 2004 07:47pm | #6

      I think Jon's problem is that he used to work on a fishing boat . . . . . . . as a baiter !  Worked his way up !

      Greg.

      1. Ruby | Mar 04, 2004 09:24pm | #7

        Around here, all of us are required to have PHD's. Can't do without.

        That is Post Hole Diggers, the manual kind, in case you didn't know.<G>

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          BossHog | Mar 04, 2004 09:43pm | #8

          I always thought a PHD was for storing stuff in our already overcrowded geerage.

          You know - "Pile it Higher and Deeper".Politics is a game of elegant ideas, played by bullies.

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          CapnMac | Mar 04, 2004 10:11pm | #9

          That is Post Hole Diggers, the manual kind, in case you didn't know.<G>

          Sorry, I just have two sharpshooters, long & longer. Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

          1. rez | Mar 04, 2004 10:24pm | #10

            People tell me my banker's hours habit prove I have two speeds:

            slow and slower. 

          2. Ruby | Mar 04, 2004 10:38pm | #11

            ---"... I just have two sharpshooters, long & longer. "---

            You won't go far fast with them. A matter of degree.<G>

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            CapnMac | Mar 04, 2004 10:45pm | #12

            You won't go far fast with them. A matter of degree

            Yeah, that would be the problem:  I have a degree, but learned post holes with Manuel operating kind . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

          4. Ruby | Mar 04, 2004 11:04pm | #13

            ---"I have a degree, but learned post holes with Manuel operating kind . . . "---

            To have Manuel operating would be an advantage, I admit. You can then use that degree to oversee the procedure.

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            CapnMac | Mar 06, 2004 02:09am | #15

            You can then use that degree to oversee the procedure.

            Don't I wish.  Right now, the market is a tad bare for persons of my experience.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

  2. toast953 | Mar 04, 2004 08:30am | #4

    It is,,,, All a state of mind. Jim J,,  ps I've been in the trades since 1976 (full time), I "bill" myself as a professional laborer, and do not consider myself a master of anything.

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    CapnMac | Mar 04, 2004 08:47am | #5

    It refers to documented trade skills.  One starts as an apprentice (or laborer, nowadays), then become a journeyman, then a master.  For licensed trades, the terms refer to a tested and licensed skill level.  This is particularily true of plumbers & electricans, where licensed.  The terms also occur within the unions, where the skill level attained also defines the pay rate.  So, if aperson had been a union carpenter for the right numer of years as an apprentice, then as a journeyman, and he meets any other requirments, the union will present him with documentation naming him as a master carpenter.

    Or, it represents what a person has the print shop put on the business cards . . .

    I have a card proving I am a member of the Association of Professional Experts.  Have started out as Dumb, and progressed to Average, I hope to eventually reach the exalted level of "Great" A.P.E. . . .

    Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
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    ProDek | Mar 05, 2004 12:44am | #14

    A qualified Master Carpenter is one that loves his job, loves to buy tools, loves to drive his truck, has stayed in business over 5 years, and is still making ends meet.

    You have to be able to throw feed your tape and keep it from recoiling and slamming back into the case................

    You have to holster your hammer w/o looking.........

    You have to hold a worm drive straight out from your side for ten seconds..........

    You have to fill a chalk box w/o getting any on you.......

    You have to find a pair of Safety glasses that aren't scratched

    You have to be able to swing a hammer w/o letting it go.........

    Kidding aside, you just have to find out from your State what is required. Some States require testing and some do not. For those that do not I would recommend you work for someone that knows what they are doing. Most lumber yards know who they are. Be humble and willing to learn..........

    Being good at math helps, I'm not and have to refer to a calculator often.

    Don't store your receipts on the dashboard of your truck, you may want to roll your window down some day.................:-)

    "Rather be a hammer than a nail"

    Bob

  5. ravenwind | Mar 06, 2004 03:40am | #16

    where there is.nt a test to define your skill like in plumbing or electrical  Or like someone said union work, but as far as most carpenter, tilers, woodworkers and I lump myself as well, its an ego thing.  I hired a guy two years ago to work on our house because I was out jobbin around and too busy to do anything at home. He tells me hes a master carpenter and he did alright with simply things like siding, painting but master of nothing . had him build a simple porch roof over our front door , well 4 months later it was pulling  away from the house and pulling the siding away too. I pulled it down in the fall and built a new pourch with a roof and  its solid .   Ive never considered myself a master carpenter but seeing the way some guys do some jobs I closer to it then most. But I dont like the whole ego trip so im just a guy with tools that likes to do a good job.

                                                                        Dogboy

    1. FJC076 | Mar 06, 2004 06:20am | #17

      I appreciate your opinion.  Yours was the most serious I recieved. I didn't realize how many "comedians" would respond. 

      Thanks again.

  6. acbuilder | Mar 06, 2004 06:25am | #18

    The degree to which a master crafman can be rated on a scale from one to ten.  It is determined by measuuring the length of exposed crack, to the top of the belt.

    1. toast953 | Mar 06, 2004 09:08am | #19

      Whewww, one of the best, sheesh, I'd better go get the chapstick, lips are a splitten,,oh man oh man that good.. Jim J

  7. rasconc | Mar 06, 2004 06:24pm | #20

    I thought you had to be on TV.  Except for maybe Mr T who I am surprised has not added Master Baiter (from his old fishing days) to his colorful tagline resume :-).



    Edited 3/6/2004 10:26:02 AM ET by RASCONC

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