As the rest of the population is buying Christmas presents I’m finding shelter in the electrical department at Menards. Buying supplies for my next project. I made one mistake. Asking a simply question when the department clerk asked if I was finding everything . I only wanted to know were the conduit cement was.
Instead I was corrected on everything! This is what I learned:
-You need a 4-conductor line to get a 220v. GFCI to operate properly.
-Just use a 50A GFCI that’s what everyone uses….But a 60A line for a 48 A load .
-Can’t use 6/3 for a 60 amp line, only good for 55 amp since it’s Romex.
– Sorry were out of “green” #6… What is that green tape for? they didn’t know
Where do these clerks get this misinformation?
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You ask, "Where do these clerks get this misinformation?"
The blind leading the blind. Maybe on TV, maybe at the box store, maybe from Uncle Randy who's really handy.
If a camera crew went and shot video of this sort of thing, the box stores would clamp down for fear of lawsuits. Can you imagine medical advice being given out so cavalierly?
Our trade knowledge is more mysterious to most Americans than we realize.
Bill
You might have a good idea for one of those new reality shows.
I look at it like this, if they know everything , why are they not in the real world making $25 a hour instead of $6.75 at HD.
Maybe because they are 65 and broken down?
Edited 11/27/2006 7:02 pm ET by jesse
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Maybe because they are 65 and broken down?
That, and they are paying closer to $10/hr--locally, at least, they're $1-2/hr better than starting out as a Helper. But, then again, an ordinary grocery store cashier is pulling down $8-9 locally. The part-time or flex-time jobs are in some high demand around town, what with about 20-30,000 college students "looking." At the same time, the p/t jobs are bit fungible to the employees. Evens the pay situation out a bit.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
"Can't use 6/3 for a 60 amp line, only good for 55 amp since it's Romex."
Dat is true.
You are limited to the 60* degree column for Romex.
But you are allowed to 60 amp breaker as it is the next standard size.
"Sorry were out of "green" #6... What is that green tape for? they didn't know"
Nope, can't use green tape for that.
You only remark it if is LARGER than #6.
The romex 6/3 has been used on residential 60 A panels for years. Is this code something that is new?
Why would they allow to 60 amp breaker a conductor that is rated for 55 amp?
This might be one of the points that could be argued for ever. Probably depends on what order the comma's are in the code.Although modern Romex (NM-B) has 90* insulation you are restricted to use the 60* column for amppacity. But if you need to derated it because of bundling or high tempature areas) you can start with the 90 column before derating. Just that the results can't be more than the 60* amount.#6 NM is limited to 55 amps.But for overload protection if ampacity of a wire does not match a standard size breaker you can go up to the next size breaker, which would be 60 amps in this case.Now this is where it gets tricky.My assumption is that although you can use a 60 amp breaker, that you are still limited to treating the cable as being limited to 55 amps.
I'm just glad there are guys around, like you Hammer, that know that this advice is wrong. When it comes to Electrical work, I'm about as knowledgeable as a large box of rocks.
Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
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Where do these clerks get this misinformation?
Well, I have a hint.
A while back I was talking with a bigbox employee and the guy was a window man. He knew the ups and downs of windows. (ok, bad pun)
Only now, instead of in windows, the powers that be in the upper echelon of bigbox thinktank boys mandated workers must crossover and learn others jobs also.
They were turned loose in their new classifications with no training. Come to work one day and suddenly they are in a new department.
The guy was concerned he was going to burn someone's house down and was continually trying to find someone else to help the customers with their electrical questions. Poor guy.
It's not always the employees as they just want a job.
Sometimes it's the boneheads in the white shirts.
be deboned
Isnt crosstraining annoying? At our local Lowes we have the equivilant of Norm Abram.He used to workin the tool crib, now he is working a cash register helping old ladies with their flower purchases.
Great use of their resources.
OK, so he knew the ins and outs of windows
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~ Voltaire
Similar experience today, but with laminate flooring.
An older couple were looking at laminate flooring, and the gentleman asked the clerk if they had any laminate that could be installed under kitchen cabinets.
He told them that there were a couple of ones they had that you could do that with. One of them had a lifetime warranty. He said that he would be with them in a moment.
After the couple went to the aisle he pointed them to, I said to him that you shouldn't put laminate under any fixed object, like cabinets. You need a 1/4" gap for expansion and contraction.
The clerk went over to help them, and when he was done and had come back to help me, he thanked me for that information about laminate.
Bryan
"Objects in mirror appear closer than they are."
Klakamp Construction, Findlay, Ohio
Rez's comment, and yours as well, should remind everyone that big box employees are not all a bunch of bone heads or d**k heads.Many of them are trying to do their best. I share information with them (in a friendly non-confrontational way) when I hear them give incorrect advice, and usually they are glad for the correct info. I try to friendly even though I am sick and tired of being asked (for the last two years!) if I know about the online survey. They are just doing what the "white shirts" tell them to do.But hit them with an attitude, and they'll react just like most of us would. John Svenson, builder, remodeler, NE Ohio
OOOO, the online survey! Now I GOTTA comment.
It's too Da*n long!. After the third or fourth page, I just start clicking, tabbing, spacing, and entering as fast as I can.
Now we just stopped doing them.
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You started out in the right direction: "I only wanted to know were the conduit cement was." Not sure how you entered into the conversation about sizing and loading of electrical circuits, etc, but it takes 2 to tango. Not to disrespect these people who work retail - it's a hard job to deal with the public, and I'm sure there are a few big box employees who know some stuff in each store, but shame on you for thinking a store clerk should know much more than just what is for sale in the store. These high volume stores have much too much competition to be hiring well paid and highly competent employees. Do you get your medical advice in the drugstore section at Wal-Mart? Do engine repairs on your Ford based on what the Ford car salesmen thinks?
When I think of the box stores, I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or shake my head in disbelief.
For the most part, the clerks try their best to help - IF you can find one! I've quite literally caught one playing 'hide and seek' with the customers.
The stores, at best, give the clerks a videotape to watch, before turning them loose. This is a far cry from, say, a proper apprenticeship program. Even if their advice is technically correct, they lack the seasoning "hands-on" experience provides.
This hurts them, as they encounter their share of "CUSStomers" who are more than happy to share their "expertise" with them. Thus, clever little idiocies get passed on.
How determined can customers be, in their pursuit to do things wrong? Well, I once encountered one, who was upset there were no electrical fittings that accepted garden hoses!
I have yet to find any box store that pays anywhere near what a journeyman tradesman earns. A third of scale is probably about right. Do you really think a qualified person will work for that kind of a pay cut - just for the joy of working weekends?
I'm afraid that the day of the 'helpful hardware man' is long gone. Indeed, when you do find a decent clerk, it seems that their days with the firm are numbered. The box stores seem to deliberately weed out anyone who shows any potential at all.
As an example, I helped build one such place. For months prior to opening, they trained over 100 clerks. These folks, desperate for a decent job, gave it their all ... no church had more passionate members. Then, using one artifice or another, within a year all but six had been 'let go.'
You just can't get decent help that way. If the box stores have poor help, it is by deliberate management decision.
I've learned that the best way to get the sales drones to back off is to walk like you know what you need, pick up something (anything!) the minute you get in the door and carry it around with you, and don't EVER linger in one place for more than five seconds or so. If I find myself scanning the shelves, looking for something, or just loitering in the tool area out of curiosity, invariably they'll come by and annoy you. They must have cameras and radios that they tell their staff: "shopper in aisle 7 is empty-handed; go see what he needs".
Must be very different where you live. Here I think you could simply move into a Lowe's or HD and no employee would ever bother you.
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."
~ Voltaire
it must be you...
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LOLHadn't thought of that, but if it's true, I'm all the more glad to be me.
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."
~ Voltaire
then we're the same...
no help either unless it's a brand new store...
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
There used to be a guy in electrical at the Pueblo HD who'd been an electrical inspector in a different State. He was great, but of course he left HD as soon as he could.
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."
~ Voltaire
and all the ex contractors there too...
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
whether they know anything useful or not
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."
~ Voltaire
Hi Hasbeen
Don't want to hijack this thread too much but wanted to say I grew up around Pueblo till I left for the Navy in '78. Just wondering if you were from around there.
Take care
Bob
Hi frosty, I live in Walsenburg. Moved down here 12 years ago.
"Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd."
~ Voltaire
"Do you really think a qualified person will work for that kind of a pay cut - just for the joy of working weekends?"
Yes, if you have an uninsurably ill child you will work for peanuts to get health care coverage. Or if you need that small, but regular, paycheck to get through the 4 months of winter that you get laid off but somehow the family still wants to eat. Or if you rode a ladder down to an injury and still can't make the climb.
Where do these clerks get their misinformation?
The clerks for the most part are really not there to design your project. They are there to make it easier to find what you want and stock shelves. I think they should not be allowed to parcel out information on subject they know little about.
What mekes me mad is the ones who go uut of their way to avoid actually working, and have no knowledge of the the store inventory, or send you on a wild goose chase in the wrong department.
Stocking is what they should be doing.
It happens often that the fitting or part I need is not on the shelf. I ALWAYS have to ask the clerk to check the stock. Quite often it's overhead on a shelf.
If they don't have it, I also ask if they can check around to the other stores. They will gladly do this but will not unless you ask.
Quite often it's overhead on a shelf."IF IT NOT ON THE SHELF WE ARE SOLD OUT SIR" But its up there, see the numbers."SIR, WE ARE SOLD OUT'But it there, get a ladder."SOLD OUT SIR, TRY NEXT WEEK" or "WE EXPECTING A TRUCK ANY DAY"
Quite often it's overhead on a shelf.
"IF IT NOT ON THE SHELF WE ARE SOLD OUT SIR"
But its up there, see the numbers.
"SIR, WE ARE SOLD OUT'
That's because the inventory control system (ICS) is the "bible" for what is in the store. This used to drive my dad nuts while he was sojurning in HD until his pension kicked in.
Ok, the "shelf map" says 10 widgets go here. Customer comes in and buys 6; inventory turn point is 5, so regional is queued up to ship 10 in the next truck. When the truck shows up, ics now goes 4 + 10 = 14. The stocking order puts 6 "down", 4 "up." Simple, nu? Except, the customer brought back 5 of the widgets (returns go through a different computer on a more-monthly schedule). Stocker (maybe) has put the returns back, that was 4+5 = 9; supervisor says "hey, don't bust the new box open for just the one; shelf it."
Ok, the "reality" in the store is that they now have 19 widgets. Corporate thinks 14 are there; 6 are sold; 5 are in an ethereal existance.
Ok, somebody else comes in and buys 9 widgets. ICS goes 14-9 = 5, 5<=5; send 10 more. Except that there were only 9 on shelf. New box comes in, all 10 get busted out to the empty shelf (yes, that's right, there's an unopened box of 10 already there, but that happened on somebody else's shift). Now, everybody in the store can look in the computer, it says 5 + 10 widgets are there, so there's 15. Until the quarterly inventory, that "extra" box of 10 is just there, not "exisiting."
So, they are right. That box can be up there, and not exist.
Want really bizzare? Regional doesn't have 10 to pallet up, so they send the 8 they have. ICS doesn't have a line for "short" per se (compounded if the stocker "knows" that they are "ahead" the returns). So, ICS has two widgets in inventory that can never exist--try checking up on that on line . . . <sigh>
Even better, the national Buyer gets a better deal on the widgets, like they are 0.01¢ cheaper, each (no matter that they are witgets, and completely incompatible with the widgets). After national makes that change, the existing widgets go on an end cap at a discount, so the witgets can go into their space on the shelf.
You come in, it's 2055 Sunday night, store is closing in 05:00, you need exactly one widget. There's that stinking box of them on the storage shelf, but none on the sale shelf. Guess what, they don't exist. Ok, maybe the box is part tore open, 'cause this has happened before (on somebody else's shift). You sneak one down and take it to the register. Guess what? It has no SKU number (they sold all those out on the end cap). It has no ICS number, either. Cashier don't know what the problem is, or how to fix it, either. The real pain of it is, if somebody returns a widget, it can go into returns inventory; but, without a SKU it can't be sold (mostly).
If you are very lucky, and (generally) have not been shouting or using invective, the manager can (sometimes) use his "over ride" on the register, to sell a SKU-less item (it's much easier near month's end, for those Boxes that give an inventory control bonus to managers).
Ain't retail grand?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Wonder if this happens to anyone else?I learned in my early years working in a (real) lumber yard that the best (only) way to load up sheet goods was each person takes a side, not front and back.I've yet to see a big box yard person know how to load. If a yard guy is helping me, I make them grab a side. My last trip in, two guys insisted on loading 10' rock into my van themselves, front and back. Kept my mouth shut. They broke one piece loading, beat the shid out the rest. Maybe it's just me but I find it aggravating.Todd
I will see your electrical goofyness and raise you a roofing dept misinformation....
The DW and I went to the despot, I needed to pick up some cheap canvas tarps, and while I was browsing tarps, the Wife and the kidlet went off to find tar paper.
Apparently to really get a tree ready for winter (its still really young) one needs to burlap and then wrap it in tar paper. So, its off to roofing to get tar paper.
I wander over about 5 minutes later and find the wife stumped, all she can find is builders felt. Oh. so I explain to her it is tar paper as the guy in the orange apron wanders back
He then tells us the GAF peel and stick Ice Membrane is....
A TORCH DOWN PRODUCT!!!! and He has already shown my wife the torches to use!!!!
I say, "Torch down? Really? You sure about that? "
Oh yes, definitely
I follow up with
"gee, I really think this is a peel and stick roof underlayment, and the stuff over there that is labeled "torch down" is the torch down stuff.."
I then look at the wife and say We need to leave. NOW!!!
This does lead me to wonder what would happen if you took a blow torch to peel and stick membrane.
Yikes.
Later the same evening I had a debate with a cashier in a different store about how $1.60 times 3 does not add up to 7.27....
Cashiers response. There is a tax on the tax. This is NJ.... 7% tax...
I tilt my head and said "are you nuts?"
It went downhill from there fast.
I've been known to look them straight in the eye and comment that there's something in the water in New Jersey that causes brain damage.... :|
I always wonder why they dont have 1/2" plywood but they have plenty of 2x4's.
Had several tell me they havent made 1/2" plywood in over thirty years.
>> I tilt my head and said "are you nuts?"
It went downhill from there fast. <<
One thing cool about people in certain urban areas of the NE is that they really tell you what is on their mind. :-) People here in the southeast often hide what they are thinking and use "terms of endearment" like honey, sweetie, sugar, etc. which gets tired sometimes. One old guy at the lumberyard calls me (and everyone else) "babe". Well I guess I am kind of a babe except that you gotta add ~50 years and then there is the fact that I have that "third leg" :-)
Anyway, you gotta learn to be a bit more witty and smile when you hurl your insults. Maybe something to make 'em think (as challenging as it might be for them). It's more fun that way.
Home Despot Victoria BC- 1/2" G1S plywood = $42 for a 4x8 sheet - 1/2" G1S plywood = $43 for a 4x4 sheet I sheet you not someone is making $40 to cut a sheet in halfRik
That's like the quartering of a $7 dollar something 4x8 sheet of standard 1/2"drywall and sticking a $5 price tag on it.
Makes me marvel everytime I see it.
Actually that is what HD calls a DW patching piece. A 1'X2' piece of 1/2" DW for $4.34
I guess a full 8' sheet would be $69.44 :-)
Glad they found a use for all those damaged sheets that the forklift operator makes.
That's right. It's not even a full quarter sheet! heh heh
I notice that the size of the stack never goes down.
be lay that hammer down, boy...
Never seen the 1x2 piece, but here they have the 2x2. No cut-ups, They come like this from USG, with display rack and marketing BS.
First time I saw it I did the math and = WTF. Said to maself: Self, what bozo would buy one of these.
Fast forward, recent job I had (small bath redo) I also had to patch a hole left by a small medicine cabinet. Trying to keep a neat shop so no DW scraps around, and wanted to keep it that way. So I put on my very dark glasses, hat pulled down, and went in and bought a piece.
There, I confessed, hope you guys understand.
I do the math and just have to go for the better deal, but then you should see how messy my shop is.
Sure would be easier to haul though... Nah, I would still have to buy the 4X8. Thats just me.
Well, if it's confession time I'll pony up and admit that one time I needed a bucket like right then and bought a HomeDepot orange plastic 5gallon bucket complete with logo.
be humbled
"First time I saw it I did the math and = WTF. Said to maself: Self, what bozo would buy one of these."I bet there's a lot of McMansion owning Bozos who buy those just because they're easier to fit in the back of their SUV for the odd DIY project they have going on.
One Friday evening I was in need of a ceramic tile cutter. The local HD had 3 choices and I purchased the mid-ranged priced tool. Bad choice. When I got it home the thing cut way out of square and was not adjustable. The following morning, I returned the tool to HD, and headed back to the tile department for a replacement. I explained to the salesman in the tile department that my original purchase had been defective, and asked him if I could make a test cut before taking a replacment tool home.
The salesman asked me if I was a professional tile setter. I told him that I was not, and that I was simply doing one project. He advised me not to purchase the mid-priced tool, but instead to buy the top of the line model. He told me to take the tool home, complete the project, clean the tool up, put it back in it's box, bring it back to HD, and return it for a full refund. He explained to me that by doing what he recommended I would have the advantage of using a professional grade tool for my project and it would cost me nothing.
I bought the tool he recommended and it worked just great. I still have it. From that experience, Home Depot has become the last place that I will shop for anything. If a salesperson's help extends to advising customers to, in effect, steal from the store in which they are shopping, I want no part of it.
"making $40 to cut a sheet in half"
Are they hiring for that job?
Yeah, they're hiring, but $8.00/hr. How many sheets can you cut in an hour? $40 x 40 = $1600 but only $8 for you.
Yeah silly me, I forgot about P&O.
They have to make their 2%. lol
Ok, I buy a lot from HD and Lowes. Seervice is not that good, but usually not that bad at HD, and every now and then you get a retired tradesman who really knows something. Lowes, in my experience is worse. Here are little tales from each:
LOWES I was trying to buy four skylights for a barn. Lowes had them up on a shelf over my head (and I am 6'5"). No ladder to be found. No clerk to be found. I was not wearing working clothes, and did not feel like doing a Tarzan ape climb to look at the things and get the prices. After about 20 minutes (literally now, 20 minutes) of hunting for a clerk I only turned up one guy in the carpet department who said he could not help me. I did find several other hapless customers wandering around like lost souls.
I saw one of their paging phones, sitting, of course, on an unattended desk. Something within me rebelled. I picked up the phone. I did a general page. I said that there were a number of people back in windows and lumber who had for a long time been doing their very best to buy something from Lowes, and that I wondered if anyone at Lowes was interested in helping them do so. Pretty soon, we had clerks.
At the cleckout, I asked to speak with the manager. He was occupied. I explained that I had been the guy on the intercom and asked if the managfer cared to talk to me before or after I called Regional HQ. He found time.
Service today at that Lowes is just as bad as ever.
HD sent me a "preferred customer %off" promotion card. I went and bought some lumber. Handed the clerk the card. She said "I can't use that." Tone of voice was not very nice. I asked why they gave it to me if it couldn't be used. She said it was my fault. I gave it to her in the wrong order. SHould have done that first. I pointed out that the card had no instructions on it, and only invited me to shop and get a discount. FInally, with bad grace, she voided the transaction and re-entered it, giving me the discount -- but not until I pointed out that I really am a pretty good customer of theirs and that I might loike to discuss the matter with the manager.
I can relate:
Lowes: Doin' a remodel job with everthing scheduled down to the wire to get it ready for Thanksgiving. Homeowner went to Lowes and picked out his vinyl floor.
We in turn payed in full for 69 yards of vinyl and said the sub would pick it on this day. When we got there the roll said 69 yrds. paid for. But when it was urolled only 56 yrds where there. Someone has sold 9 yrds off of our roll.
Who? Nobody had an answer for that but if we wanted to we could order some more and wait 10 days.
The main reason I hate the big boxes is that the customers use them more than we do.
I was so overwhelmed by the huge amount of stupidity that
"are you nuts" was all I could muster.
most of the time I am wittier.
If you want good advice when you go to Menards, then expect to pay about 4 times as much for everything as you currently do.
All I want to know is why trim and mouldings is on the opposite end of the store where lumber is at our local Menards.
Or why the UPC symbols are on the front of every piece (over 100 to be exact) of stain grade beaded T&G that I bought and no one understands why thats wrong.
Misinformation is not limited to big boxes.
I like a small auto parts place in Monroe. I prefer to give them my business, small and infrequent as it is... Rather than the big box auto parts shops.
But there is one guy in there that has never ever ever gotten an order right. If the part is right there for me to take a look at, I am all right. I can tell whether it is the wrong part or not. But if it has to be ordered, it WILL be the wrong part if he orders it. Absolutely guaranteed. Every time.
This has been the case for years. I learn the lesson. Then a while later, I will have forgotten. Or the store will be full of customers, he will be the luck of the draw behind the counter when I get up there, and I will not want to raise a stink or embarrass the guy.
He is absolutely convinced that he is right, every time.
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The most recent debacle was over a tailgate lock for a mid-80's s-10 blazer.
That's just how I described it. "The lock for the tailgate."
He had the year, make and model of the vehicle. he knew it was for the tailgate. It's almost a no-brainer.
He looked in the book, went to the back shelf, and came back with just a lock cylinder in a box with some long piece of metal.
I took one look, and said it was wrong. I told him that the lock is one piece, with "wings". You turn one direction for the door, and the other direction for the glass. That is marked clearly on those wings. It pops in and out of the tailgate the same way the lock cylinders on the passenger doors do. The lock cylinder is NOT a separate piece.
He got quietly belligerant immediately after the word wrong, right at the beginning. Insisted that the lock was a separate piece. Pretty much said that I was an idiot if I didn't know that.
I told him that I have changed 5 of these myself. I know what I am talking about. And I described the part to him again.
After nearly twenty minutes with the guy walking back and forth, treating me like I was a moron, he finally hunched over, looked again, and picked out a part that he insisted looked just like what I described. He ordered the part.
The next day, a friend's wife goes and picks up the part for me.
It is NOT the right part. It is another lock cylinder all by itself.
I take the part back in, and the guy is openly beligerant this time. But I am getting really pissed as well by this time. I insisted that I be allowed to look at the book, once he has decided again what the part must be.
He has picked out another damn lock cylinder.
I am getting so pissed by this time that it is becoming obvious to others. Noticing that, he reluctantly lets me look through the book. I find it right away. Point to it... And this einstein proceeds to stand there for another 5 minutes, pretty much calling me an idiot, and insisting that the picture obviously shows that the lock cylinder does NOT come with it. That he is right, and I will just have to come back and get the lock cylinder laying on the counter. He tried to get me to pay for the mis-ordered lock cylinder.
I told him to just order the frikken part I showed him to order.
When I went back to pick it up, it was exactly what I knew it was, one piece, lock and all... He stayed back from the counter and let someone else give me the part, but he stood there and gave me this strange guilty/angry glare the whole time.
Years, I tells ya. Years !!! You'd think enough people would complain, and the management would get a clue.
More than that, you'd think I'd learn. But eventually I will forget. I'll be too wrapped up in what I am doing, to remember. Or I'll soft-heartedly want to give the guy another chance. Or I'll just think whatever it is that I want is too simple for him to screw up.
Then I'll go through it all over again...
Get over it....... The angry going eat you up. ~Brownbagg '06
Sure seems like there are a bunch of people here that could benefit from a 90 day stint as an employee at a big box store.....
I find all my correct information on here.
Everytime I ask a technical question at a BB, it never jibes with my readings (I am a subscriber to Taunton's Fine Homebuidling mag too) on here.
I don't mind hearing "I'm not sure" but to guess........ugh thats just bad.
We should all print out breaktime cards with the breaktime URL and pass them out!!!
Hey what the heck is a Menard anyways?????
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Got a good HD one.
I asked a clerk if they had a 2 lb cut of shellac.
He said 'let's go weigh the can'.
I asked a clerk if they had a 2 lb cut of shellac.
He said 'let's go weigh the can'.
Um, that's actually one good way to figure it out if the can isn't marked.
You weigh the can, you weigh a similar size can of alcohol, subtract the difference. That difference is approximately the weight of the shellac solids. Scale it by the proportion to a gallon, and you have the cut of the shellac.
But I think you are right - the HD clerk didn't really know that, or probably what a 2 lb cut is.
My HD story;
I go into lumber and ask the clerk for Wainscoting , she tells me to go to the paint dept.
Menards actually keeps wainscotting in the paint department. They consider it a wallcovering, so it is kept with wallpaper and such...in the paint department.