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   Don_Minter | Nov 17, 1999 04:01pm | #6

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   I just finished ripping out about 800 sq ft of old vinyl floor tiles using a straight hoe (up north, they're ice scrapers). If he's just talking about a five by five area, I'd say to rip up the old (new) stuff before putting down the tile. I'm sure that the advances in adhesives allows one to leave it down, but I am equally as sure that ceramic tile adhesives have also increased in efficacy over a similar period of time. And 25 sq ft should be able to be ripped out while his dialup is still screeching.

   I'll stand by waiting for the next post where you want to install radiant floor heating under existing ceramic floor tile in a 5 by 5 bathroom....

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   Guest_ | Nov 17, 1999 04:08pm | #7

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   Bill,

   I still would not trust the bond between the vinyl and subfloor. especially since it is not known if it is edge glued. I would use a floating laminate like pergo if you do not want to take it up.

   Rick Tuk

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   Guest_ | Nov 17, 1999 07:23pm | #8

   *My first reaction to this type of situation would have been to remove the vinyl...that was until I was "educated" in such matters. I am told by many, with great confidence, that you can ceramic right over vinyl sheet. You need to deglaze/wax the surface, Maybe a little scuffing wouldn't hurt. Then you can use a product called korolastic for adhering the ceramic to the vinyl. It is, however, imperative that the vinyl is properly adhered to the floor. with this vinyl being relatively new, I might be leary of it's long term fastness. Of course a 20 year old sheet vinyl floor that is stuck down good is probably in no hurry to go anywhere.Just spreadin' the news,Pete Draganic

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   Guest_ | Nov 17, 1999 10:28pm | #9

   *Bill C: You say you haven't had any "problems to speak of". What problems have you had, what was done to fix them at what cost in time and trouble?I too am of the old school that you make sure the underlayment is solid. But if times have changed I'm willing to change IF the info supports it.

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   Guest_ | Jan 04, 2000 11:34pm | #10

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   We just installed vinyl in a half bath (5 by 5 ft) and dont like it-- want ceramic floor tile instead.

   Can I lay ceramic tile , in thinset, over the vinyl?? (We don't know how much trouble it will be to ripout the vinyl!)

   Also-- floor is radiantly heated--- gpycrete with plastic warm water tubes.

   Thanks very much,

   Rick-- Anchorage, AK.

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   Guest_ | Nov 09, 1999 09:51pm | #1

   *RickTake the vinyl off! Get a good scrapper (be careful not to gouge to quickset), start at one corner or doorway and start. Most of the times, an adhesive is only put around the edges (about 6") and once you get past that, you can pull the rest up.Vince

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   Guest_ | Nov 09, 1999 10:55pm | #2

   *This too came up recently. Take up the vinyl or put underlayment over it.

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   Guest_ | Nov 10, 1999 01:37am | #3

   *welcome to the 90's folks.i've used the new bonding agents that allow you tile over vinyl. it's great stuff and I won't stop for a minute to use it again. With that said let's review the common sense rules that follow.1 The vinyl has to be firmly attached to the floor. Common sense say's that if the vinyl is loose then the tile will be loose to.2 The vinyl must be clean and grease free. I use 80 grit sand paper to clean up and get a good bond.3 Check for deflections in the floor. Common sene again larger tile smaller deflections. Smaller tile larger deflections. This is also a good time to check that the fllor is propertly attached. Sounds like a simple thing but I've seen a lot of jobs have problems here.4 If after reading all of the above and you have a little worry in the pit of your stomach then remove all vinyl and go from there.5 Maybe install a new color/type of vinyl??????

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   steve_curry | Nov 10, 1999 04:16am | #4

   *Bill,No offense meant, but vinyl is resilient. Tile doesn't want a resilient underlayment. The vinyl must be removed.

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   Guest_ | Nov 10, 1999 08:54pm | #5

   *b Hello cousin? Steve I can agree with what you say. But reread the post we're talking about a 5x5 area here. Also it sounds like that the floor is soild. Lets figure out how much the vinyl will give in this case. I willing to bet that any problems with any of the thin sets have been from deflection and not from the "resilient" of the vinyl. A quick check over the last year shows that we have tiled over roughtly 2400sq. ft. of vinyl tile and have yet to have any problems to speak of.