Old house. 4″clay line with 2) 1 1/4″ lines running into it needing repair. I know, origionally, it was not done the best, but it did last this way 75 years.. I replaced the 2 iron pipe with abs and cut out the broken clay and extended the abs lines. These two lines are running almost parallel to each other so there is not real a good way to wye them together before the end of the 4″ pipe
Now the question. What is the stuff that they use to grout the two ends of the abs into the 4″ clay… This stuff was as hard as porcelain.
I have though on betonite. But I want a more solid material
If I had it my way, I would do it another way but I’m between the rock foundation and the rock retaining wall and no room to excavate(between a rock and hard place.. he he he ) Plus, jack hammering up any more of the stairs is not what I’m looking forward to.
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try a fernco band, basically a rubber bushing with ring clamps.
Are fernco's allowed to be buried underground for sewer connections?If at first you don't succeed, try using a hammer next time...everything needs some extra persuasion from time to time. -ME
Are fernco's allowed to be buried underground for sewer connections?
In general, yes, but you are in a PA city of the second class (sorry dude, that's how it's defined in PA) and very likely have local ordinances dealing with just that issue (plumbers union very strong in PA). Quickest route is check your local ordinances on the internet or easier yet, ask at your building dept. (here we call it L&I, licensing and inspection -- or evil empire ;-). Don't know what they call it at the capital.
Anyway, Yo! to a fellow Commonwealther.
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However, in this case you'll be burying the evidence.
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>>"However, in this case you'll be burying the evidence.
Uh oh, how did you know that?
Um, hamnina hamina, I mean I would never do any such thing, 'course. ;-)
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I believe so, I used them alot when bud who is big time excavator did repairs as you stated.
Are you puting 2 lines into the same pipe at the same point?
Most of what I have seen for repairs is high strength non shrink grout.
Ideal method would be to use an "upright wye " fitting to join the 2 abs lines & then use a fernco rubber coupling that goes from the OD clay to the OD of the abs.
Do you look to the government for an entitlement, or to GOD for empowerment. BDW
both lines are coming out out of the footing at the same level and must run in to the end of the clay pipe side by side. The clay pipe is in the same plane as the other pipe so a wye really doesnt seam to work. there is only about a foot and half of lenght to work with. The two smaller pipes are almost a straight shot into the 4" pipe. Even a 1/16 bend is too much.
To try and wye these would defeat the purpose of smooth flowing drain lines. I had the same thought as you but the wye's make you have to put in a full 180 bend to get it back into the waste line.
One of these drain lines is from the washer. I have no Idea where the other comes from.
the origional pipe were 1 1/4" iron. I am using 1 1/2 ABS that has been heated up and slightly flattened on one "side". Sort of like formed in a slight "D" shape where the two pipes touch each other. Origionally, they are inserted it in the end of the 4" clay pipe and grouted it closed.
Thank you, and others, for your time.
OK thanks for the pic.
Here is how I would fix that & if you tell the inspector I'll deny it till I'm dead.
Short piece of 4" abs with abs cap - drill 2 holes with hole saw the same od as the 2 smaller abs lines. Insert 2 small abs lines into holes in abs cap & glue the piss out of it then use fernco to mate abs & clay pipe.Do you look to the government for an entitlement, or to GOD for empowerment. BDW
Yeah, that's essentially what I was thinking.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison
That picture helps a lot. As it looks to me use 2/ one each 1.5" no hub to the outside dimension of the 1+1/4" hub that shows to a ty on the flat with short abs stubs/ to the no hubs. Then on to a short stub out to 1.5"abs to 1.5" to 4" abs reducer to tile pipe. Should be a clean transition and all you'll need is a good sawzall and the correct blades and a torque wrench or a simple rachet will do ya for the no hubs.
When I originally picked up the parts at the store, that is what I planned on doing, I was going to use a sanitary tee laid flat in place of a wye and I really didn't think that was a good idea. Mainly because of the potential of needing to cleaning out the line with a snake at a later date , even though it could be done.
A regular wye or better yet, one with a large sweep, really wouldn't work too well because the pipes are too close together.
Anyway, this is still on hold until "Roto Rooter" comes out and de-roots our sewer lines. I just called them. They forgot to schedule us in the book today, so someone will be out after there last job of the day is done. Waited around all day for $hit
May be to late but use great care when snaking a line into that tile pipe. The snake will go right through it.
I still don't understand your explanation about using a T ? it looks to me that the confluence of the two galv 1+1/4" lines are at about a 45 so a T Y would be perfect. There is also a type of connection using what is called a gasket- it slips into the hub but if you size it to the inside of the tile pipe you could perhaps use that combo to make the final connection. galv-nohub-TYabs 1.5"-1.5" to 3"abs reducer-3" abs pipe to gasket-into tile pipe.
I hope that the original istaller had his breeding license taking away!!
It was probably an upgrade from the hollow tree trunk that was there before.
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. --James Madison