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   edwardh1 | Mar 10, 2004 11:24pm | #1

   So I get a $50 coupon on a new compressor??

   Wow

   and lawyesr get a lot.

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   IMERC | Mar 10, 2004 11:48pm | #2

   The real eye opener is how many manufacturers there are versuses brands.. 

                                         Here fishy fishy....

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   steve | Mar 11, 2004 01:24am | #3

   all tool horsepower ratings are BS any way

   a three hp tool(typical) would draw 3 x 740 watts/hp or 2220 watts of power

   2220 watts divided by 120 is 18.5 amps

   gee how does a 15 amp circuit/breaker run that?

   reminds me of the "horsepower wars" in the car industry in the sixtiescaulking is not a piece of trim

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   edwardh1 | Mar 11, 2004 03:38am | #4

   and those 6 HP briggs and stratton mower engine that look like the 3 HP versions of 10 years ago

   Edited 3/10/2004 9:41 pm ET by wain

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   WorkshopJon | Mar 11, 2004 11:30pm | #17

   "all tool horsepower ratings are BS any way

   a three hp tool(typical) would draw 3 x 740 watts/hp or 2220 watts of power"

   2220 watts divided by 120 is 18.5 amps

   Steve,

   Does that mean that this 6.0HP 110 Sears model really isn't?  ....and that the 16 (18?) gauge power cord can't pull 39 amps?

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   DavidThomas | Mar 11, 2004 11:34pm | #18

   "Does that mean that this 6.0HP 110 Sears model really isn't? ....and that the 16 (18?) gauge power cord can't pull 39 amps?"

   Absolutely. And the next lawsuit will deal with that "170 cfm" rating. :-)David Thomas   Overlooking Cook Inlet in Kenai, Alaska

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   WorkshopJon | Mar 11, 2004 11:48pm | #20

   "Absolutely"

   David,

   Don't think you would fair too well in the UK.

   Jon

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   IMERC | Mar 11, 2004 11:56pm | #21

   Take a look... 

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   WorkshopJon | Mar 12, 2004 12:33am | #22

   IMERC,

   Good find (the article) for those who don't understand the differences.

   MY RULE OF THUMB, 6.0 to 7.5 Amps per HP for a 110-125V motor if it's a realistic rating and a half-way decent motor.  Half that if it's 220-250V.

   Jon

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   IMERC | Mar 12, 2004 12:42am | #25

   It won't make any difference to some.... 

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   WorkshopJon | Mar 12, 2004 12:35am | #23

   "Absolutely. And the next lawsuit will deal with that "170 cfm" rating"

   David,

   But wait, my dust collector pulls 1200CFM, and is only 2HP.

   Jon

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   DavidThomas | Mar 12, 2004 12:40am | #24

   "my dust collector pulls 1200CFM, and is only 2HP"

   That might be right.  I don't have a quickie rule-of-thumb for blower hp, but it depends on pressure, flowrate and efficiency.  A dust collector is low pressure and high volume.  A handy one for water pumps of perfect efficiency is:

   hp = psi x gpm / 1000

   For real pumps:

   hp = psi x gpm / 600

   If you know two, you can get the last spec.  e.g. want to move 30 gpm at 20 psi?  It will take 1 hp (or more if the pump is not optimized for that application).David Thomas   Overlooking Cook Inlet in Kenai, Alaska

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   IMERC | Mar 12, 2004 12:43am | #26

   My 5 horse DC is pulling 3400CFM after altitude compensation... 

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   steve | Mar 12, 2004 02:18am | #27

   exactly

   those horsepower ratings are a joke and imposible from a standard 120 volt 15 amp circuitcaulking is not a piece of trim

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    WorkshopJon | Mar 12, 2004 03:35am | #28

     

    exactly

    "those horsepower ratings are a joke and imposible from a standard 120 volt 15 amp circuit"

    Steve,

    Definitely.  My 7.5HP air compressor required a dedicated  250V 30AMP line.......That's 7500WATTS!!!!  The lights do dim for a split second when it kicks in, and I have 252V, 200 amp service.

    Jon

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    edwardh1 | Mar 18, 2004 01:04pm | #29

    16 ga wire is fine for 39 amps, just very briefly

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    WorkshopJon | Mar 18, 2004 04:50pm | #30

    "just very briefly"

    Wain,

    What do you consider "briefly?"

    Jon

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    BillHartmann | Mar 18, 2004 07:33pm | #32

    "16 ga wire is fine for 39 amps, just very briefly"

    Actually the wire is good for a long long time at 39 amps.

    It is the insulation that will have a problem.

    The fusing current is 117 amps.

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   DavidThomas | Mar 11, 2004 04:58am | #5

   Several thoughts on this:

   1) "Peak horsepower" ratings have bugged me for a long time.  Sears is the worst.  Something with a 120-volt plug claiming "5 hp"?!  5 hp x 746 watts/hp = 3730 watts.  3730 watts / 120 volts = 31 amps.  So how does it run on a 20-amp circuit, much less a 15-amp one?  Because, of course, it is really a 1.5 or 2.5 hp motor but it pulls more on start-up.  So I'm glad to see them nailed for that.

   2) These class-action lawsuits are all the same (Levi's, computer screen size, masonite, Microsoft, etc).  $7 off your next pair of Levi's or $50 off your next compressor.  Means almost nothing to the manfacturer - heck, they run rebates like that all the time.  Let the palintiff's lawyers advertise the promotion for them.

   3) But the plaintiff's attorneys are getting, what?  30% of the "award" and that 30%is in real money.  I want the check for $50 and have the attorney get a rebate certificate for $15 if rebate certificates are such a good thing.  Let them try to make the Lexus payments with that!

   I'd like to see a judge, just once, force a real payout to the consumers.  But obviously, that is the leverage the plaintiff's attorneys have - the company is basically settling for 30 cents on the dollar because the rebates our meaningless.

   David Thomas   Overlooking Cook Inlet in Kenai, Alaska
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   FastEddie1 | Mar 11, 2004 06:52am | #6

   The only smart one in the bunch was Coleman...no settlement $ to the consumer.

   And who cares what the hp rating is?  Just list cfm and psi.

   Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!"  Then get busy and find out how to do it.  T. Roosevelt

   The craftsman formerly known as elCid

   Edited 3/10/2004 10:53 pm ET by Ed Hilton

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   james | Mar 11, 2004 07:13am | #8

   reminds me of the gm settelements for their c 10 pickups @ 1985 for the fuel tank issues ( outside the frame )  5,000 off a new gm vehicle starting in 1995, decreasing yearly from that point unitl about 2000 when it was about 1000.00 or less than the value of the vehicle.

   did that make it any less dangerous to the public? was it really dangerous to the public in the first place? i don't think i will ever know

   james

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   WorkshopJon | Mar 11, 2004 11:46pm | #19

   "reminds me of the gm settelements for their c 10 pickups @ 1985 for the fuel tank issues"

   James,

   Yeah, but it did get me a new Cavalier (Don't laugh, at least it was a Z24) for a ridiculosly low price. Sticker, less best price, less $3500 GM card  $$$, less $1000 tank settltment credit (old truck had been sold by then, that didn't matter) less  $3000. rebate.  Total of $7500 plus a few thou off the list price of a cheap car.  I don't think GM likes me.

   Jon

   Edited 3/11/2004 3:49 pm ET by WorkshopJon

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   rez | Mar 11, 2004 07:10am | #7

   Sounds like Im getting some new hoses.

   The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. [Helen Rowland]
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   GoldenWreckedAngle | Mar 11, 2004 05:30pm | #9

   Sounds like I'm just getting hosed. I bought the 6HP Coleman labeled a little over a year ago.Kevin Halliburton

   "In him the whole building is joined together ..." Ephes. 2:21

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   Sancho | Mar 11, 2004 05:51pm | #10

   reminds me of a lawsuit that took place here in the PRAC, there were some consumer "activiist groups that filed lawsuits on behalf of the consumers they were mainly frivous LS and they would oft times settle out of court, of course the consumer recieved nothing. Anyway one of the groups got in deep stuff and the lawyer actually got disbared over it. 

   Darkworksite4:

   Gancho agarrador izquierdo americano pasado que la bandera antes de usted sale

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   rasconc | Mar 11, 2004 07:39pm | #11

   Looks like a Craftsman "5HP" I bought in 98 will quailfy.  Probably a free air rachet and blow gun.  Thanks to original poster IMERC!

   Edited 3/11/2004 11:40 am ET by RASCONC

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   rez | Mar 11, 2004 08:07pm | #12

   Yep, and a slap on the back with a choice from the bar menu to IMERC.

   And a free lunch at the b&g.

   The follies which a man regrets the most in his life are those which he didn't commit when he had the opportunity. [Helen Rowland]

   Edited 3/11/2004 12:08 pm ET by rez

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   IMERC | Mar 11, 2004 08:25pm | #14

   Thanks Rez.. Be right over, free is for me....

   Hate to say it but I saw no mention of Rol-aire...  

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   IMERC | Mar 11, 2004 08:22pm | #13

   You sharing??? 

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   rasconc | Mar 11, 2004 08:54pm | #15

   If I ever get the rachet you are welcome to come over and borrow it!  They had a hose deal but I think I will buy the much touted Flexeel someday.  Just inventoried and have probably 250 ft of hoses that work but are not wonderful but paid for.  Which DW keeps reminding me is an all important virtue.

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   IMERC | Mar 11, 2004 09:10pm | #16

   Thanks for the offer...

   Those flexeels are nice. Flexible at any temp, high PSI,  easy to work with, don't leave skid marks but,,, They are not impact resistant from anything by any means. Being puncture resistant is not one of their strong points. 

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   SamT | Mar 18, 2004 06:42pm | #31

   Better check out what you wish for.

   Based on a Craftsman compressor, I wanted the Craftsman < DeVillbis < Pentair >Porter Cable rotary air tool model PTX-1.

   At least I think it's a PC 'cuz PC has models PTX-2 thru PTX-6, but their products page doesn't show any PTX-1!?!?

   Old product they couldn't move otherwise? Will they support it? Have parts?

   SamT

   Arguing with a Breaktimer is like mud-wrestling a pig -- Sooner or later you find out the pig loves it. Andy Engel