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   IMERC | Mar 31, 2005 06:36am | #1

   if it's a mechanical damage crack us a saddle style patch or a modified band-aide thats built for the job... plumbing store items.. you could look for them at a big box..

   if it's from corosion.. change the pipe...

   in the long run yur gonna have to do that anyways...

   BTW.. all caps is considered yelling and poor form...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 01, 2005 01:28pm | #2

   He used the term stack. If it is a vent only, and never will be subject to waste flow, he could just repair with an epoxy putty. Pulling a CI stack is a bear.

   A little meor information would be helpfull.

    

   Dave

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   IMERC | Apr 01, 2005 06:53pm | #6

   after the 1st seperation cut CI breaks like glass with a hammer....

   and like ya said... more information please...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   DaveRicheson | Apr 01, 2005 07:18pm | #9

   Just took out a section of 4" CI in a crawl space area at work, a week or so ago. Thight quarters, up against a wall. I got the CI cutter on crooked, resulting in a lopsided cut. I had a few inches to move down and recut the pipe. Got the cutter on straight the next time, and when I made the cut, the cutoff part of the pipe exploded into 6 or 7 pieces of schrapnel.

   You are soooo right! After one end is free, that shid is dangerous.

   We should both advise the use of eye protection, gloves, and some type of blanket to protect the repairman and surrondings from damage.

   Next time I will be smarter, not just lucky.

    

   Dave

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   Cisco412 | Apr 01, 2005 01:44pm | #3

   thanks for the tech and ettiquite info.

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   IMERC | Apr 01, 2005 07:02pm | #8

   is this crack from corrosion or mechanical damage...

   is it's function venting or soil pipe..

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   Cisco412 | Apr 01, 2005 09:26pm | #11

   Appears to be from settling of the house. This is an active waste pipe. There is a 90 Degree bend and that is where the crack is. Looks like it was repaired before and the patch appears to be plumers putty. I thought I might try some form of epoxy and see if it works. The stack is over 2 stories tall. I don't know how much support might be required to support this if in fact it needs replacing. We will need to open the wall on the first floor at a minimum and brace it somehow. I doubt if it is normally supported within the wall structure.

   Any advice from plumbers or remodelers would be helpful.

    

    

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   IMERC | Apr 01, 2005 09:36pm | #14

   is the crack in the bend or the pipe??? exposed??? crawl space??? simple 90 or other..

   the verticale rise should be supported in the wall...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   DanH | Apr 01, 2005 09:42pm | #15

   If it is near an elbow then you may be in luck. Any vertical section above the elbow should separately supported, so it may be possible to cut out a bad horizontal section and replace it with plastic and Ferncos. Of course, if you have to take out the elbow itself or part of the upward-continuing vertical then you have the usual stack replacement problem (weight!). Also be aware that the "should" above doesn't mean "is".

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   CapnMac | Apr 01, 2005 10:16pm | #17

   is it's function venting or soil pipe

   I'm going to guess it's a soil stack, as it's much harder to notice a crack in the vent stack (unless you are in the attic, and it has a bad smell).Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   IMERC | Apr 01, 2005 11:27pm | #19

   I read it as it's in a cellar or crawl space at the bottom of the stack...

   still don't know fer sure if it's the stack, elbow or soil pipe that's cracked.. only that he thought that house settling cracked it... so what are the tensions and compressions here and is it gonna get worse and is the path only gonna hide the problem till it lets go and downstairs turns into a collection cistern...

   there's gotta be cracks that he can't see along with movement...

   a picture should be handy...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   CapnMac | Apr 01, 2005 11:53pm | #20

   bottom of the stack

   That's what I figured, too--a leaky soil pipe commands more attention than a cracked (dry) vent pipe.  More immediate, at lest.

   Heaven help the dude if it's a bell on an elbow or tee or the like.Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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   IMERC | Apr 02, 2005 12:06am | #21

   if it's that we cn conjure up a plan "B"...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   JohnT8 | Apr 01, 2005 05:24pm | #5

   if it's from corosion.. change the pipe...

   in the long run yur gonna have to do that anyways...

   Those are a PITA to get out. jt8

   Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers

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   IMERC | Apr 01, 2005 06:58pm | #7

   John I just don't what to do...

   Now I'm being accused of ettiquite... something else I'll never be able to live down... what's this place coming to...

   after the 1st cut.. a 3lb hammer makes it cake and pie...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   JohnT8 | Apr 01, 2005 07:32pm | #10

   after the 1st cut.. a 3lb hammer makes it cake and pie...

   So you're just wacking it into little pieces?  Not taking it out in 3 or 4' sections?  I guess I don't have to ask what you do with cast iron tubs.

    jt8

   Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers

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   IMERC | Apr 01, 2005 09:33pm | #13

   we gonna reuse this tub????

   and I accept Oreo's opinion as conclusive proof...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   JohnT8 | Apr 01, 2005 10:16pm | #16

   we gonna reuse this tub????

   Not if we use your 3lbs technique on it!

   Francios, I'd exhaust all the patching options prior to deciding to pull out 30' of CI soil pipe.

    jt8

   Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful. -- Ann Landers

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   IMERC | Apr 01, 2005 11:21pm | #18

   got another item in store for CI tubs.... the 3lb'er is in the trim leauge....

    options prior to deciding to pull out 30' of CI soil pipe.

   lets look into a segment or an elbow and leave the stack alone...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

   Forget the primal scream,  just ROAR!!!

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   Svenny | Apr 01, 2005 02:12pm | #4

   15 years ago, I discovered a crack in my main stack, not the vent, but down in my basement. Discovered it by the waste water coming out.

   The crack was about 16" long. I made sure I dried the stack in the area of the repair, and put a coat of fiberglass mesh and resin on it (the kind you get for auto body repairs. I figured that would temporarily fix it until I had time to replace it.

   Guess what. That temporary repair is still as good as the day I put it in!

   So, I would say based on my experience, that your problem is very repairable, even on the waste side of the pipe.

   John Svenson, builder,  remodeler,  NE Ohio

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   Cisco412 | Apr 01, 2005 09:28pm | #12

   Thanks for the optimism. I think it is worth a try to patch it too.