Does it matter which way crown is installed? I’ve got some with a 38/52 spring angle and would typically go with the 38 as the spring. The mfgr. brocure shows the crown with the orientation with the 52 degree spring which makes for a very flat angle.
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Is there a cove detail along one edge?
That typically would be your bottom.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
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Show us a picture and we'll take a vote.
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those who cannot do what they are told, and those who can do nothing else.
photo:
My vote is that "cornice" is shown correctly, but I don't know about "Charleston""Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
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I've always found that it looks best with the "busiest", smallest details, on the bottom and working up towards the larger...(IOW, as they have it shown).
PaulB
that's weird ...
I agree ... but that's not the weird part.
first thot that came to mind ...
"busiest part" goes down.
not sure I ever formed those words or that thot ...
"busiest" ?
unless we're talking streets and rush hour traffic!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Curves ...ogees ...hmmmm ...........I think he said bustiest!
"If 'tis to be,'twil be done by me."
could be ...
I do think that most often.
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Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
You just haven't had the joy of spending 25 yrs working with graphic designers ;)PaulB
Without reading through the remainder of the thread.....based on the photo you offered, the crown is positioned in the catalog as it should be on the wall.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
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Edited 4/16/2008 11:24 am ET by JDRHI
Turn the brochure 180 degrees.
See? Better huh?
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That's perfect. Now I just have to get the client to stand on her head!
They appear correct in the pic that you posted.
Doug
In past discussions, the conclusion has been made by most that it's a personal preference. Historically, the cove (if there is one) should go on the bottom.
But I'm sure others will chime in. A photo would help too.
"past discussions, the conclusion has been made by most that it's a personal preference."Since when has there ever been a conclusion reached in any discussion here!?!?!?fact is, the ones I have read and participated in, that was not even the general consensus. There are historical forms and styles that dictate, with reason, which way it should run. Even manufacturers photos sometimes display it wrong because photographers are not trained in architectural design so the make mistakes. I can't even go along with what others have said about the scotia /cove at bottom, simply because there are so many kinds of crown and not all have that detail on them. I would need to see the crown the OP is considering to form a judgment.His concern about which angle meets the wall is the least important
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I think the manufacturer has it right.
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1. The coves should be on the bottom.
2. The convex portion of the ogee should be below the concave portion.
3. The plumb & level portions of the profile would be 14° off if you swapped the orientation.
Just my opinion.
Jon Blakemore
RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Thanks Jon, appreciate it.
Steve
I HAD ALWAYS BEEN TAUGHT THAT THE EDGE WITH THE MOST DETAIL WENT DOWN. REAL SIMPLE TO REMEMBER, No one has told me otherwise when installed.
For one-piece, that's pretty much always true. For built-up moldings, though, it depends where they broke the design.
Thank you kindly not to shout.
Edit: You also shouted at me in my thread.
Edited 4/16/2008 11:51 am ET by Biff_Loman
??????
The CAPITAL letters you used in post 13 are considered to be "shouting" by most people.
That's what he's referring to, I believe ...buic
Did not know that. Used caps cause it was a quote and I think a good one. MUST BE A SENSITIVE GUY
Only sensitive to shouting! :-D
Not sensitive - trying to give you a friendly hint.All caps in Forums is considered shouting and VERY RUDE especially after being informed.
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You are correct, as is the manufacturer on this.
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there are three basic spring angles in crown, generally to give a right angle view to the viewer
this depends on the height of the wall or the vertical distance from the viewer.. case by case
change to a different spring angle, or a different size, or a different molding mfr....
but don't flip the crown
If you look at this link, 10 of the 18 crown examples are upside down:
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,1221648,00.html
But yours look right.
That is both hilarious and sad....
That is both hilarious and sad
Did you catch the comment on #3, where somebody wanted specific lengths, like it was an order page (and you can get pieces cut to inches and feet) . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
That was a good one--
was a good one
No lie.
Didja want that 12'-3" stick to be coped or mitred on the end?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Yep, just "Ask This Old House."They really got 10 of 15 wrong, because at least 3 of the 18 have profiles like simple coves where they had to get it right.It has been wrong for a couple of months, at least, even though people have made comments that some of the images are oops-side-down.
I think the pic was actually taken correctly when you look at where the lighting is from in the pics at the link. Somebody got screwy with their rotation during the editing I think.
From the 1st pic, on the left is rotate 90, on the right straight from the link.
YCOMV(Your Crown Orientation May Vary)
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I don't think it was merely an error editing. The text description on the site also referred to the ovolo on the bottom, so they have somebody ignorant doing the article.
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You are probably right.Since many here at BT know that I have installed crown upside down, I should just stay out of it...just couldn't help myself and had to post that link. ;o)
I am getting a kick out that whole series - takes a while for each to load So far, I see three that are equall both ways - those ones are rightAnd number 11 and 13 got accidentally turned the right way.The rest are all wrong.The most humorus part is how the descriptive text is written in praise of the way it is displayed, trying to use phrases to sound educated about it. Some that are combos are not identified as such.A true BS artist at work there.
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Misinformation dispensed with conviction and flare. The waters are getting murkier out there.
If you can't blind them with brilliance baffle them with Misinformation dispensed with conviction and flare.
or something like that
I am taking notes for when I run out of brilliance.
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Too bad they did not flip those images as soon as the error was pointed out.Last week I arrived at a jewelry store to repair a laminate desk the low voltage sparky had run two screws through from the inside of the desk while mounting a elec. bx. This is the main checkout for the store, right in front of the register...and two weeks after the screws were run through...and the points were still poking out (just waiting to catch a knee cap, dress or hose).When I showed up, I was shocked that the screws had not been backed out the very next day. I assumed that I was just filling holes with color-matched seamfil, but I had to take the box off too. No big deal, but if it were me who ran the screws through the laminate--I would have been there the same day or the next day before the store opened for business. We all make mistakes, but fixing them ASAP, is a good policy.
Maybe they should've hung a sign near the screws warning people of the screws?
Learned long ago that the difference between a Craftsman and a regular schmoe with a saw & hammer was the mistakes. Not that a Craftsman never made a mistake, but knowing how (& when in your case) to fix them.
as per my Dad ... and probabaly alot of old guys ...
a good carpenter is someone who can hide their mistakes.
a great carpenter is someone who can do it before the customer gets back home!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
almost forgot the "follow up" to that quote ...
"so hurry the F up!"
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Looks like TOH subbed the web page editing out to Home Depot.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
Pp, Qq
If you are installing crown for a client it's a bit too simplistic to assume an oddball crown idea will appear as anything but oddball.
It's human nature to look at something they know nothing about and know if it's right or wrong based on gut feeling. Even if a client can't verbalize what it is that doesn't look right, they will sense the crown is oddball.
There are many screwed up profiles floating around and it doesn't make it right to use any of them.
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