We’re considering buying the Dewalt D24000 wet saw. Does anyone who’s used this saw have any feedback they can share? (Dewalt bashers welcome, if they have experience with this saw).
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Ask here. Some of these guys will have the info you seek.
http://johnbridge.com/vbulletin/index.php
Dewalt bought porter cable and PC had a wet saw that got horrible reviews. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the pc or at least pc technology with a yellow paint job.
I would go with the mk's for tile saws. mk makes great wet saws and have for a while, why be the test case for dewalt? You don't see tile guys using any but mk, don't reinvent the wheel.
The Dewalt tile saw is a totally new design and it received great reviews. It is not a re-rigged PC. According to some, it might not hold up for a production tilesetter but it should do fine for a GC who does some tile work. I would go for Felker before MK but it depends on the model and application.
Billy
That's exactly what we are, Billy. I'm interested in the Dewalt because of the nice features it has vs. Felker, MK, Pearl, etc. IMHO, Dewalt has raised the bar with the features on this saw. I'm sold on the features, but wondering about durability & performance. FWIW, this is to replace an old MK I've had for almost 15 years. The saw's held up well, but sprays water everywhere, & because it's the upright angle grinder kind, it's a screamer.
I could care less about reviews from mags, who wants to dog a yellow menace and risk losing ad revenue.
That saw is $900 and weighs 70 pounds. If your a GC doing small level tile work, why would you want something that expensive and that heavy? I would stick with the tile companies. Dewalt came out with the great planer two years ago and they still haven't fixed the problems with it. Dewalts entrance into the tile saws comes right after the pc/delta buy. If you think it is not related then good luck to you. It might have a new design and different color but I would be shocked if the guts were not taken from the pc.
Hey Double D,
Who the hay said anything about a magazine review? I didn't. You just made it up or maybe you just make a habit of assuming things that aren't there.
I'm no big Dewalt fan but I do like some of their tools. If you want to read reviews by people who use tile saws every day, including the Dewalt saw, read these.
http://johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=19208
http://johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=23010
If you don't care to read the reviews then that's fine. Keep on giving opinions on things you don't know about and call it "advice."
Billy
Edited 6/24/2005 3:33 pm ET by Billy
Billy, thanks for the links. Very helpful.
(Sorry Billy, this was meant to go to Greg)
The DeWalt 24000 is an item that was going to be reviewed in a past tools and materials for our magazine, but it was bumped for space reasons.
The short version is that Tom Meehan reviewed it for us, and he absolutely loves it. When it comes to tile, I take his word very seriously.
Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Edited 6/24/2005 3:24 pm ET by JFink
Thanks, Justin. DDay: Yer spittin' yellow, man! I agree that some Dewalt stuff is junk, as is a lot of the current P.C. stuff. I don't believe that ALL the products made by Dewalt are garbage, though. They have their strengths & weaknesses, just like any manufacturer.
It's too convenient to jump on the Dewalt bashing wagon without actually looking at what they have to offer. Almost never is one company all good, or all bad.
Dewalt has thought this saw through, & it has nothing in common with that Piece 'o Crap (P.C.). This saw has features NONE of the other manufacturers have on theirs, yet. When MK, or Felker get around to copying some of Dewalts features, I suppose it'll be okay then, huh? Or are you going to claim that Dewalt "stole" the features from them?As far as subbing out the tile work, we've done that before. Now, we're fortunate enough to have a guy who's an excellent setter. Why sub out something we can keep in house?
Greg,
Here's the Porter Cable tile saw:http://www.mytoolstore.com/porcab/1500.html
Here's the Dewalt:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0006FIOA2/qid=1119643326/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/102-7949601-5749703?v=glance&s=hi&n=507846
'nuff said. Good luck!
Billy
That porter cable looks like it should have a Ficsher Price lable on the side. Put it on the shelf right next to the easy bake oven.
People come here for honest knowledgeable opinions. You are shooting your mouth off and have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Heck, all you have to do is look at a picture of the Porter Cable and the Dewalt to know that they're not even remotely close to the same saw. You don't even need to look at features or specs or anything, one look tells you that one's a grinder style and the other is a traditional tile saw style. I don't care if a person thinks that the saw is or is not a piece of junk. I don't care if someone states that the company that makes the saw is a horrible company to buy from. Claiming repeatedly that it's the same saw, without taking the 15 seconds to even look at pictures is just irresponsible and stupid.
Hey JACKASS, if you can pull your head out of your #### long enough to read this CLEARLY. I said that the guts and the underlying technology would probably be the same and either way I would avoid being anyone’s guinea pig. Don't you think it is more than a coincidence that Dewalt comes out with a saw right after they complete their purchase of porter cable?<!----><!---->
Now get off your soap box, wipe that Forrest Gump look off your face and go back down to your bedroom in your mothers basement.<!---->
Jerk.<!---->
Maybe if you take two aspirin and go to bed you'll feel better in the morning..........Did it ever occur to you that it probably takes years to design, engineer, and then manufacture a tool like this. When did B&D pick up PC -- six months ago? They're probably still trying to figure out who to fire, and technology/design transfer isn't even on their screen yet. If I end up buying this Dewalt saw, it will be because of the really intelligent design they've brought to the project. I am no great fan of Dewalt, but I'll hold my nose and hope they haven't cheapened the guts of the machine too much.********************************************************
"I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there."
-- Herb Caen (1916-1997)
Holy shid. Somebody help that poor soul out of his delerium.
Totally out there.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
Edited 6/26/2005 12:00 am ET by razzman
I thought maybe the 2 aspirin and sending him to bed might help .................********************************************************
"I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there."
-- Herb Caen (1916-1997)
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Jesus guy, have you still not looked at the pictures. It's impossible for the guts and the technology to be the same because there's no way that one would fit in the other. Second off it was a recent purchase, you really think they could get newly branded tools to market that fast. Every other person in this thread has told you in fairly polite terms that you are talking out your ####. The only intellegent thing I've seen you say is that you'd avoid being anyones guinea pig. Besides that I've come to the conclusion that you are an idiot. A big mouthed one at that.
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Sorry Gump, you are the idiot.
First, do not take the name of the Lord in vain, it is not appreciated. I also take issue with your use of the queens English, i.e. “Second off it was a recent purchase, you really think they could get newly branded tools to market that fastâ€. Your mastery of grammar is beyond words. “Second offâ€? I’ll be humored by that for days.<!---->
The acquisition of pc was closed in the fourth quarter of '04 smart guy. Prior to the completion of the sale, the companies were almost certain working with one another on their future direction since the acquisition did not fall under federal antitrust review. If you are too damn stupid to not understand the conduct of companies prior to acquisitions or pending the closing then I suggest you acquaint yourself to business practices prior to chirping in on a subject that is obviously above your limited knowledge.<!---->
From your posting, I cannot come to any other conclusion than you are the PERFECT Dewalt customer. In the past, I've seen their marketing intent but always disagreed with their optimistic market research assumptions. I was clearly wrong though. I guess if you put some bells and whistles on a tool, paint it yellow and tell a Joe homeowner Home Depot shopper with a handle of stilts a load of crap they'll believe it. The only thing you seem qualified to do is misunderstand a fairly clear posting. I did not state as fact the underlying technology was from the pc, only suggested that its introduction coincided with the pc/delta acquisition. The exterior of a product does little to explain its composition. <!---->
My advice to you is education. Value it and seek it out much more so than you have to this point in your life. Beyond education and knowledge though, I hope you will develop the ability to comprehend the information. At this time, you clearly lack the ability to process information and issue a reasoned reply. Some amongst us are just plainly stupid though, with little hope of advancement. For this I apologize to you for your lack of intellect.<!---->
At least you'll always have your mother’s basement apartment though. Maybe you have some room for remedial grammar text books.<!---->
See ya later Gump. <!---->
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Just wanted to make a quick point of clarification on this tool. I am the Product Manager for the D24000 at DEWALT and can assure all of you that this project was completely separate from the PC tile saw. Development started over 4 years ago with extensive field research and testing to bring the professional tile setter everything they were lacking in present designs. The saw has been an enormous success thus far. We have had a hard time keeping them in stock.
Hi Jeff,Welcome to Breaktime. How about filling out your profile and visiting once in awhile? Just click on your name in the shaded bar of this post to begin the process. This is a great forum, despite occasional hotheads arguing. If you like that sort of stuff, there is always the Tavern folder, available to those who ask nicely to get in.Cheers, Bill
I was wondering, if you have any D24000 rejects laying around?......just kidding maddogThe day I can't help out a friend.......
That's the day I got something better to do
I did 3 months ago, but they are all spoken for. Nice try!
......story of my life, thats OK , .....I can't set tile for ####The day I can't help out a friend.......
That's the day I got something better to do
"Sorry Gump, you are the idiot.
First, do not take the name of the Lord in vain, it is not appreciated."
Dude ... that's almost too perfect!
here's mine .... "I hate violence ... and I'll beat the snot outta anyone who says different!"
That must be one rowdy church U hang yer hat in ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I'm shopping tile saws myself, and just this past week, I looked carefully at this new Dewalt saw at my suppliers. They've only sold a few, and so far there isn't much in the way of feedback.
Since I couldn't try it out, I was left to ponder the various features -- and it does seem as though the designers were paying attention to criticisms of other saws in this price category (about $1000). All of the snap on rubber trays look like they would work well to contain overspray, which is one of my main gripes with the MK 101 I have used in the past.
The saw has a big enough capacity for my purposes (18-20" as I recall), and the saw head can be tilted for bevel cuts.
The system has been designed so all the auxillary spill trays can be packed into the water tray for easy transport; and even though it is a substantial saw, it has been engineered so it was fairly easy for me to pick it up and carry it around -- unlike the MK, which is 120 lbs.
I am anxious to know what the reports are from people who have actually used it.
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"I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there."
-- Herb Caen (1916-1997)
Nikki, I'm pretty certain we're going to buy one of these in the next few weeks. I'm hearing a lot of good things about it from others (plus DDay is pushing me to it). ;)If we do end up with one, I'll give you some feedback on it.Do you currently have a wet saw? If so, which one, & why are you replacing it?
I have been sharing a MK 101 with another guy, but we have a project coming up that includes 3 bathroomss, so that's my excuse for getting one of my own. The MK is a perfectly good saw, but you need to be a gorilla to carry it around by yourself. But my main problem with this saw is overspray. I think this is an inexcusably poor design for a saw that is used mainly indoors.********************************************************
"I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there."
-- Herb Caen (1916-1997)
I agree with you about the MK. The saws are bulletproof, & if I was ####full-time tilesetter I would consider one, but it seems the Dewalt is better suited to a remodeler. The overspray issue with the MK ruled it out immediately.
Check this puppy out.
I've seen one, touched it, smelled it, even licked it a bit; I think it's one sweet machine.
Around $1300.00
http://www.imerusa.com/combi_250_v2.htm
EricI Love A Hand That Meets My Own,
With A Hold That Causes Some Sensation.
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Yeah, our local mega tool store had that on display. Sweet saw. Kinda overkill for backsplash tile & 8x8's though, huh? (Unless you're Tim Allen).
can you say plunge cuts??
aaarrggg!I Love A Hand That Meets My Own,
With A Hold That Causes Some Sensation.
[email protected]
Checked out the Dewalt in-depth yesterday. Found out you can plunge cut with it, as well. Lots of nice features, though I don't think it's grunt-worthy the way the Imer is. ; )
Edited 6/25/2005 12:33 pm ET by gregb
I'm still lugging around a 30 year old Felker.
I bought it used for $100.00 more than 15 years ago. It just won't die. It may kill me first!
EricI Love A Hand That Meets My Own,
With A Hold That Causes Some Sensation.
[email protected]
" I don't think it's grunt-worthy the way the Imer is"That went right over my head .................. meaning what?********************************************************
"I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there."
-- Herb Caen (1916-1997)
Eric was giving the Tim Allen grunt of approval to the Imer - See post #21 of this thread. (Gotta be a Home Improvement fan to catch it!) ;)I was saying I didn't think the Dewalt was as hevy duty as the Imer, so it wasn't grunt-worthy- Not as funny if I gotta explain it! ;)
Nikki, if you're in the market, we found a good deal on the saw & stand at Timberline Woodworkers Supply. They currently have an offer thru their ebay store where you buy the saw stand for $60, & get a $150 instant rebate on any Dewalt tool that costs $850 or more. Total of the saw & stand after rebate was about $860 with shipping. Here's a link...http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1268&item=7526446424&rd=1We're supposed to see it in a few days, so I'll give you some feedback when we get it.
Thanks for info re: Timberline.Sounds like you are going to go ahead and buy it. I hope you will keep track of this thread, and let us know how you like it. ********************************************************
"I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there."
-- Herb Caen (1916-1997)
greg,
Bought it a couple of months ago. I'm building my own house and have laid 400 sf travertine flooring, 200 sf of slate, and loaned it to my tile guy for the shower and tub surrounds. He loved it for one reason, I set it up in the master bedroom, his cut commute was 15 feet not down a flight of stairs and out into the garage. The saw has worked great. I think if you were needing a saw for full time production use you would go for a felker or carver. If your using this a couple times a week, I don't think you can find a saw that will do what it does, where it can do it, for the price their asking. cuts 2' squares, 18" diagonally, catches probably 98-99% of the water. I love it, only thing you need to change out is the blade that comes with it. A little thin, I expreinced some deflection, better blade and no problems.
Thanks for the feedback. The fact it doesn't spray all over is one reason I like it. We're primarily a remodeling contractor, so cleanliness is important. Good to know it's working out for you.
I pulled this thread from the archives (from about 2 months ago), since I am going to have to make a buying decision in the next few days. It would be good to hear any further feedback from those who have used the saw.Thanks.********************************************************
"I tend to live in the past because most of my life is there."
-- Herb Caen (1916-1997)
Turn on your "wayback machine" nikkiwood. I've just landed a job that would pay for a saw and am considering the Dewalt 24000.
Did you get one and like it?...hate it?
Anybody else want to chime in with their experience?
Amazon has a 10% off deal through June 5, so if I'm gonna jump, I guess that's my deadline.
PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
Edited 5/23/2006 3:21 pm ET by PeterJ
I bought one when building my house, Loved it. Used it on 18" travertine, could cut it diagonally no problems. Loaned it to tilesetter I hired to do the showers, he loved it. Loaned it to two different friends to do some granite and ceramic, they loved it. I ound it much nicer and easier to use than a friends Imer.
For what my HO input is worth, machine having been used 20 times in a little over a year, It's great.
No, I ended up using the a friend's big MK. The Dewalt still lurks in the shadows of my future though. I have watched the feedback here pretty closely, and always ask reactions from people I know who have run or own one. I've yet to hear a bad comment. Aside from the capacity to cut large tiles, it is nicely designed with trays and such -- so you're not spraying water all over the place when cutting, which is nice if you are set up indoors. The MK is a real pain in that regard.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
I have the saw and love it. I use it for everything tile related; slate, porcelain, granite, marble, limestone, ceramic....fantastic!