I’ve got a question I have not come across before and need some mind prodding.
All 1-3/4″ doors.
Same room.
Homowner got the hardware-and the hinges are the question.
Ball top, shiney Restoration Hardware beauties. He ordered 3-1/2 x 3-1/2 for the “french’ closet doors-two 18 x 84.
Bathroom in adjacent wall. 2-8 door. Bigger, so he orders 4″ x 4″ hinges for that.
Hence the dilemma. To keep the “show” parts (ball tips) of the hinges showing equal in relation to the trim I can set the 4″ hinges 1/4″ from the back edge of the bathroom door. The 3-1/2″ hinges need to be brought out from that back edge to keep them showing the same amount.
Pain in the rear, but does that do anything to the operation of the door? I think not because the pivot point is the same. Am I correct or has alzheimers set in relatively early.
thanks.
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I applogize...
for not reading this earlier today. After all, you answered my question....
There should be zero problem, assuming that the screw holes are still set far enough from the edge of the jamb, not to split it. If I was concerned about those two screws I'd drill full sized holes through the jamb and use longer screws, through the jamb and shims, into the jack.
Thanks
Since the pivot point isn't changing I'm thinking right along with you. Screw hole pattern from the back edge of the hinge was the same on both sizes and doesn't appear to be a problem. The weight of some of the doors might be in question causing me to want to use a longer screw in the top hinge. With this polished chrome hinge, I suppose I'll be hunting for some 2-1/2" slotted stainless screws..............
However, the jamb stock is full 3/4 poplar-well shimed behind the jambs at the hinge location and mucho beefy casing. To have hung the doors at that time would have been too easy, however he was looking for period doors (used). Beautiful place from 1930. The large addition looks like it was always there.
thanks.
Not much leverage on that hinge..
with an 18" door, right? I don't think I'd be concerned about using slotted screws either, particularly if I was trying to drive some long ones into framing lumber. I'm old enough to remember when all hinge screws were slotted and we drove them with a Yankee screwdriver. I was one happy carpenter when the switch to phillips screws came along.
I still have my old Yankee screw driver and a Yankee push drill in a wooden tool box I made, with a smaller box inside containing my butt markers, chisels, a stone and other small trim tools. Glad I learned that way and glad that it's simpler now.
Ah, the old days............
The narrow french's, no problem.
The 2-8's, probably not. But the Reno hardware game could certainly use a phillips upgrade. Doing things the old way is one thing, but there's a time for a fastener upgrade. I'll put the driver on low and not try to booger up the screw heads.
or,
could look for that old yankee.
Just thinking....
or not. I was getting ahead of us so I'll wait to hear how the job turned out.
Well, the big doors went well..............
the couple openings of french's tomorrow perhaps. One of those "call you in the morning" days.
And as usual, no passage sets while I'm there. I'll be back to make 'em work yet again. Positive side, 2 blocks away as the crow flies. 4 behind the wheel. Can't beat the mileage.
Glad to hear...
that hanging those doors went well.
Peter
Swingin'
Hey cal, hard for a geezer to keep up... I can't tell if you hung a door, or whut? I'm guessing the stop isn't on, right? That's where I see problems, and maybe the screws coming through the face of the casing... though that can be a design feature LOL
If this is what it takes to get you to return
.....................sure, I'm hanging doors. 19 last week and lessee.............9 this.
To the existing jamb.
Lotta trim, big trim..............there's no tapping anything here.
No worries on the hinges, pulling the ones forward to line up with the other size. Looks good.
But here's something I just have to remember this time. Narrower door pairs require deeper bevel on the mating edges than wider.doors...............
Steep-6/8 degrees, unless you want to throw a cat through the opening on a pair of doors.
Do you get any credit for "learning something new everyday" when you "re-learn" something old?
edit: and of course-no locksets. Would be too easy. You tell these semi DIY's exactly how to do a task-must get lost in the translation. He sees now, set up for this fitting and hanging is a nice chunk of the job (unless you wanna throw a cat through it). He whispered something today about calling the painter to pick up the doors and paint 'em..........................
Luckily I heard his thoughts and convinced him emphaticlally, not done, waite till it's done. Don't pay more because you're tinkering with the process. Don't look at me crooked when I make experienced suggestions.
So, how's it going with you folks? Married the son off yet?
Glad to hear you're busy!
I stop by every once in a while to see if the picture threads got fixed. I see Dan Morrison is the latest one dancing around it!
Back to your doors... only 19 in a week? Ha!
You are pulling the stops, though, right?
Say hey to Joyce for us... another summer slipping away. Arrrgh!
No, no need to pull the stops.
The old doors that I swapped out were hung on heavily (Lead Certified Renovator) painted jambs / stops / casing. Had one stop I had to plane down on the door side-too tight to the door. I have a small plane with darn near flush sides, that worked well. Oh yeah, I added up all the "lead" area and was well below 6 sf all total.
Filled some old mortise's in openings where doors were removed.
On this weeks door extravaganza, 9 to existing new jambs, all finish painted. Homeowner WAS gonna get old recycled slabs but hadn't had time yet to pick em out. "you should consider either a door shop or something from a supplier......" I says................
6 weeks after painter is done-"ordered new reproductions of the rest of the house".............
So there I am, not able to cus out "the guy" that set those jambs..................
and no, the stops are not installed on those jambs. I "convinced" him of the necessity to leave them off............
He's getting the hang of it. Still says "Me and a buddy (that's me) did the int. framing, the heat in the floor, the hw on top of the heat..........the kitchen, alot of it............the whole damn finish.
"Me and a buddy".
WTF
All that aside............
I'm sort of getting used to this small jobs stuff. Throw in a few "emergencies" and you've got a busy couple months. Mix in some 4-5 day affairs and ..............yeah, not bad.
Summer, the previous spring, even the winter..................flew by. Must mean something.
Back to your doors... only 19 in a week? Ha!
Kiss my white hind end brother...............
Thats what filled in the week.
This ain't North Carolina.
I know...
us geezers have got to pace ourselves LOL
What I can't figure out is if we're framing the hip roof why are we hanging the door? What did either one of them ever do to us?
You want a fun hip roof story, go to BTC..............
always a party goin on.