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Double Hung Windows

Orcapod | Posted in Construction Techniques on September 18, 2006 04:33am

I am in the process of restoring my sash windows, circa 1889.

In almost all of the articles I have read, most of the discussion is about windows which have sash cords, pulleys and weights (FHB #161 March 2004, for example). Mine do not. They have a spring loaded pin (I call a sash pin) which is located on either side of the sash, approximately 1/4 to 1/3 of the way up from the bottom, which sets into a hole on both sides, either in the closed position or the open position.

I am looking for a replacement source for the spring loaded pins. The Restoration suppliers I have checked do not seem to carry them.

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  1. DanH | Sep 18, 2006 05:10pm | #1

    So this is bascially a "bolt", such as one would use to latch a shed door, only spring loaded. Presumably there's some sort of thumb lever exposed?

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    1. Orcapod | Sep 18, 2006 05:51pm | #3

      That is not it. The Pin consists of three pieces: 1/4" in diamenter rod, decorative on one end and approximately 3" long; Spring loaded; and has a brass sleeve surrounding the pin, holds the spring, which you then drive into a 1/4" hole drilled into the sash. The sleeve hold one end of the spring to provide tension on the pin. You pull the pin to allow you to raise the window. 

      1. Piffin | Sep 18, 2006 07:12pm | #6

        oops, should have read whole thread. From your detailed description, what I have is not it anyway. 

         

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      2. DanH | Sep 18, 2006 08:42pm | #7

        Oh, yeah, I'm picturing what you're talking about now. The pin goes all the way through a side of the sash, with the finished end sticking out in front of the glass (and the pin running parallel to the glass surface). A little ball machined on the end to let you pull on the pin.

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  2. torn | Sep 18, 2006 05:12pm | #2

    How about model WSB85 from http://www.phelpscompany.com?

    1. Orcapod | Sep 18, 2006 06:00pm | #4

      Wooops!   Sorry,

      I found the WSB85 in the misc. section of the catalog, and that apperas to be it!

      Thanks

    2. davidmeiland | Sep 19, 2006 05:03pm | #12

      Great catalog, thanks!

      1. torn | Sep 19, 2006 07:36pm | #14

        No problem. I've never ordered from them, but their catalog made enough of an impression on me that I thought of their company first when thinking about the OP's question... Their products appear to be very nice, with prices to match... ;-)

  3. Piffin | Sep 18, 2006 07:10pm | #5

    Post a photo, size and how many. I might have what you need

     

     

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  4. saulgood | Sep 19, 2006 01:35am | #8

    I just wanted to say, if you're doing all the windows in the house be really carefull about old paint. Working around old double hungs can let a lot of harmful lead into the living area, so do your best to contain the dust and chips. Don't bring your dirty clothes into your house after sanding, and wash your hands before eating or smoking. It's easier than you might think to get lead poisoning.

    1. Orcapod | Sep 19, 2006 04:42am | #9

      Thank you, I have been really careful.

      This is actually rework, as a lot of these windows were done either in 1989 and/or again in 1996. It is just ongoing stuff, a little rot here and there.

      This is in a coastal enviroment, thus to say we get a lot of rain.

  5. BungalowJeff | Sep 19, 2006 03:12pm | #10

    Post over at the Old House Journal boards. Bill Rigby is a regular and sells historic hardware. He can help.

    ...that's not a mistake, it's rustic

  6. billd60 | Sep 19, 2006 03:37pm | #11

    I am just finishing a job where I have taken out 11 windows with such little devices; I am very familiar with them.  You are welcome to them - there are two gizmos on each sash.  The owner tells me they'll be replacing the other 15 windows next year.  E-mail me if you're interested and we'll work out the details. 

    1. Orcapod | Sep 19, 2006 05:26pm | #13

      I would be interested. Are they ornate, painted, or otherwise unique?

      1. billd60 | Sep 20, 2006 01:13am | #15

        I would not consider them ornate - pretty plain by comparison to others I have seen.  Painted... definitely painted.  You would have some cleaning up to do.

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