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   Floorman | Jul 10, 2004 07:12am | #1

   The house is mostly hipped. Every element of the eaves has a rain gutter. GW

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   Piffin | Jul 11, 2004 12:31am | #2

   Well, A lot of houses do get roofed with out eave edge.

   But the roofers and builders who do it that way label themselves as being amoung the cheapest of the cheap and aiming to hit a goal just below standard practices.

   not a reputation anyne who is sucess-minded aims at, just the shysters do it that way.

    

    

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   mdresimprov | Jul 11, 2004 01:34am | #3

   The good news is that you live in an area where the houses increase in value overnight. The down side is Centex reputation as a builder in Phoenix. They were known for cookie cutter tracts that they called semi-custom because a buyer could pick a carpet color. I worked on several of their homes for buyers who just got tired of the run around.

   MES

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   Gabe | Jul 11, 2004 01:56am | #4

   I assume you bought the home directly from the developer/builder based on the plans and specifications offered.

   Course of action 1.

   Send them a letter and give them 14 days to make good with regards to the missing drip edge detail that you paid for.

   If they don't do it, ignore your letter or offer some lame excuse, simply go to small claims court, fill out the form, file it and deliver to them, adding costs.

   They will normally settle before going to court in order to mitigate damages.

   Gabe

   
   

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   Edited 7/10/2004 6:57 pm ET by GABE_MARTEL

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   DANL | Jul 11, 2004 02:04am | #5

   There's a house here the owners asked me to look at because water was running through the soffit, as well as between gutters and fascia. No drip edge, and probably no ice guard. The roofers installed a second layer of shingles over the first (so most definitely no ice guard as it wasn't required (perhaps even unknown) when house was built. The HO wasn't happy with the idea of re-roofing yet again, so I just stuck drip edge between the first and second layer of shingles at the eves. He was impressed with how much water started going into the gutters and out the downspout and no longer did it go between gutters and fascia. I had no idea except to use heat tape to melt ice dams to prevent water from running through the soffit.

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   dIrishInMe | Jul 11, 2004 02:24am | #6

   Around here - NC - almost NO homes get drip edge.  My house has it, but I guess that's because I built it.  Truthfully, 2 other homes in our neighborhood have it (all customs).  Both of those are owner built.  On the other hand, I'd say it'd be a cold day in H311 when a Centex home would have it.

   You gotta realize that Centex delivers a good value for the $ home, not necessarily the highest quality, and possibly even the least $ per sq foot.  So, chances are you got what you paid for. 

   As far as the plans, do they have the builder rep's signature on them?  Did you sign off on them?  Are there specific references in the sales contract to that specific set of plans dated on mmddyy? 

   Granted, this is your new castle, and I'm sure it's way nice, but, if ya wana talk fine home building, I'm sure there is someone here who lives in your area who can hook ya up for $140+ a sq ft, (not including the lot)...

   Have a good one,

   Matt

    

   Edit - now that I looked at your profile and see your location - make that fine home building for $250+ sq ft!!!

   
   

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   Edited 7/10/2004 7:27 pm ET by DIRISHINME

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   Floorman | Jul 11, 2004 03:03am | #7

   Custom in my area is 250+/ft. I have concluded that since my home is not a custom house that Centex has the option to do as they may as long as they do not commit any code violations. Drip edge is not a requirement. I have been told that I am buying on an "as is" basis on production no matter what the cost. I may have to deal with leaks down the facia with them as they appear. They have fixed them so far.

   Where the real problem comes into play is in regards to the attic ventilation. I have complained on these boards about loud noises in my attic at night. Lumber cracking sounds. Without trying,  I did a search on attic venting and came upon O'Hagin Vents. I called and got the reps number for my area and I called. The reps husband answered the phone and after some discussion he concluded that he actually made the calculations for the ventilation on my tract house for the architect. The architect recently sent me a letter telling me that the calculations on my home were good. The fact is that this O'Hagin guy told the architect that he could not sign off on my house unless he saw it in person. I have got Centex and the architect so bad. The O'Hagin guy and about 3 executives from Centex and the architect are coming to my house on Monday @ 9am to view my ventilation. I am missing half of the vent blocks in the eave and I do not have enough dormers to meet the 1/300 spec. The eave blocks do not have any insulation baffels either to let air flow. I can't wait for Monday at 9. My O'Hagin rep has been building and roofing for 30 years and he now trains architects how to put together attic ventilation. He does all of the homes for Centex in the county next to mine and many other large builders.  He did not like the roof eave situation either. He might be able to push Centex to fix that . At least I will have paperwork from him to go to small claims. Gabe, that will push some buttons. GW