Why would drywall mud show through two coats of flat latex paint? All seams, at the ceiling/wall edges, and the nail/screw holes. GW
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Is it the actual color showing through, or is it the smooth texture of the mud contrasting with the slightly rough texture of the paper on the drywall?
These walls are textured. There are no drywall variation lines or end of mud feathering lines showing. Just the full feathering of the mud at the drywall seams and the mud covering the tape at the wall/ceiling seam, plus the nail holes that were mudded. All this showing through the original white painted walls plus our single coat of yellow/beige on top of that. GW
Edited 12/15/2002 2:15:33 PM ET by Greg Warren
No drywall primer
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Insufficient sanding & you got edge lines showing?
" You are young, my son, and as the years go by time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions. Refrain therefore awhile from setting yourself up as a judge of the highest matters." - Plato
In two words "bad job"
Tom
I am meeting with the painter, drywaller, my painter, and the customer service rep for the builder tomorrow am. I need more than this comment, but it is appreciated. I will be pushing for a complete repaint of my house with two coats of flat oil paint to block this from happening again. GW
Greg:
I am not too sure what you were describing. So these are textured walls? In that case it is the smooth mud against the texture and painting it over with oil base would not help. You have to find out if this is a texture problem or a bleed through problem, or could be something else. Can you post a picture?
Tom
I think that is is to suttle to show up on a picture. Bright days make it show up best. There is no problem in the areas of the house that are painted with enamel. It is in my opinion bleed through, but why? GW
Has anyone remembered the last page of the latest issue of FHB?.
Excellence is its own reward!
"The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.
The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are."
--Marcus Aurelius
Greg-
It's very simple- I saw it on many houses with textured walls when I built in Las Vegas. The painter didn't use a primer, and he thinned the paint down too much in order to get it through his sprayer. The mud and the drywall soak up the paint at different rates, so the mud shows through as a "duller" finish.
The "right" way to do this is to spray all surfaces with a PVA primer, prior to spraying the texture on. Or, at a minimum, use a good PVA primer, laid on thick, and don't thin the paint. The reason more builders don't do it is two-fold- it requires coordination between the painter and the drywaller to get the painter there prior to texturing, and it costs more (the more important reason to most builders).
Bob
zactly what I said #3
finally agreement.
Excellence is its own reward!
"The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.
The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are."
--Marcus Aurelius
I think they all got you on ignore.
I think you got ignored too :)
BTW, I always acknowledge Piffin's posts, at least in my heart. How can you ignore such wisdom?
Tom
ROTFLMAO
I try to be balanced.
Ignore - ance is a two way street.LOL
No hurt feelings.
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Excellence is its own reward!
"The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.
The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are."
--Marcus Aurelius
Nah. Piffin doesn't ignore anything (except larry) Just found it funny that he gave really good advice (as usual) in like the second or third message and the thread kept going on and on. It reminded me of the kid in school that has his hand raised to answer the teacher's question. But she won't call on him cause he always answers and she wants someone else to participate. After prodding a few incorrect answers from other students, she returns to the kid she knew would have the right answer all along.
It amazes me how many people skip the PVA primer.
We had the meeting and the drywaller showed but not the contractor's painter. The drywaller said that the only thing the painter is required to do is apply two coats of sprayed paint. No primer. He said it usually gets by, but not on my house. My painter is putting together a bid to prime and apply two coats of satin enamel paint to all walls and ceilings. Centex will be absorbing the costs.
Piffin was way back on the old boards. If I did not directly respond to his reply it does not mean that I did not appreciate his reply; that is just the nature of these boards. If a reply happens to fit the bill that I am looking for, I will probably respond to that individual directly. I do not know the Piffin thing here in regards to some individuals and I do not care to know. GW
Edited 12/17/2002 10:31:38 AM ET by Greg Warren
You're right, it's just the nature of the boards. I thought it was all funny too.
LOL "the Piffin thing". Now it's not even an individual poster/member! It's a whole "Thing"
But since you don't want to know...
anyway, I've always appreciated your thoughtfull posts. Keep on keeping on..
Excellence is its own reward!
"The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit.
The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are."
--Marcus Aurelius
Not being a professional rock finisher, but fairly adept at it, priming with PVA primer hasa one major advantage for me. It shows imperfections in my finish that would telegraph through the final paint coat. The stuff is not that expensive and lets me touch up spots before texture and paint. On top of the fact that it gives the wall a uniform surface for texture and paint to bond to.
Cole
Cole Dean
Dean Contracting
Exactly! It's a Piffin thing. I think that's gonna be my tagline.
Thanks for this reply Bob . I will hand it to the customer service rep tomorrow. But what is the fix in your opinion?
The fix at this point would probably be a stainblocking primer, and a new coat of paint.
Probably too late, and probably not the case, (for some reason I think you live in a warmer climate than I do), but is there any chance they used a kerosene heater during the taping? that would stain the board paper and show thru everything but a primer/sealer.
(it would be nice if people would at least enter their location in their profile)
Edited 12/16/2002 9:58:09 AM ET by Qtrmeg
I live in So. Cal 12 mi from the beach in San Diego County. It was Feb/Mar when the paint was done, but no heating elements were used. GW
I thought you were one of the lucky warm ones.
You never know when someone will need some temp heat, and most people around this icecube know better. It is just that kerosene heaters will stain the paper, (limited use may not be visible until you paint), and it wasn't mentioned.
Hi Greg,
Try repainting the walls with 2 coats of USG 1st Coat primer. It is a long shot but I have used this method once and it worked to hide the shadowing problem.
As everyone has said the painter should have done it right the first time.
This is a "you have to be there" thing.
FIRST USE A PRIMER WITH A GRAY TINT. FOLLOW UP WITH A HIGH QUALITY PAINT USING TWO COATS. DRY WALL SHOULD BE PRIMED PRIOR TO TEXTURE FOR A FIRST CLASS JOB. ALL HIGH END HOMES IN THE MOUNTAINS OF COLORADO ARE PRIMED PRIOR TO TEXTURE FOR SEVERAL REASONS. AS MENTIONED IN PRECEDEDING REPLY, TEXTURE OF DRYWALL AND MUD TAKE PAINT AT DIFFERENT RATES. IF USING FAST SETTING MUD IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PRIME PRIOR TO TEXTURE. GRAY TINT SEEMS TO HIDE A LOT OF PROBLEMS. BEST OF LUCK