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   slim_shady | Jun 19, 2000 08:53pm | #1

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   Sure vinyl makes a perfectly good substrate to adhere
   tile to . Just make sure it is firmly attached to the plywood below. Hit it with a belt sander with 60 grit
   then go to it, Ron , just make sure that when you are tiling no crack is showing ,a federal offense.

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   Guest_ | Jun 19, 2000 08:54pm | #2

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   I've laid tile directly over top of vinyl with great success. 5+ yrs on one, without problem.

   I assume your planning to lay this in thinset. First make sure you use a thinset that is approved for this sort of substrate.

   Remember that since you will be bonding to the existing floor, you will also be relying on the bond between the vinyl and the sub floor also, if this bond fails, then no matter how good your ceramic to vinyl bond is you'll have trouble.

   Also, beware that there were some vinyls that were only edge glued. These are not something that you'd want to lay ceramic over

   If your not comfortable with this, then go the cement board route.

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   Guest_ | Jun 20, 2000 08:47am | #3

   *Messi, your post reminds me on one of the great debates going on in construction. Should inferior craftsmen rely on the material mfg. to provide the wiggle room the craftsman, due to ignorance, will require to perform even adequately?What say you?

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   Guest_ | Jun 20, 2000 06:56pm | #4

   *Rich-Not sure I fully understand your question... but here goes.IMHO-never is it the responsibility of the manufacturer to make up for a lack of skill, knowledge, or just plain laziness. The responsibility is that of the person performing the work. But, having said that, the tradesman should also know what materials are available, and best suited to the job. It is the tradesman's responsibility to the customer, and the trade to use the right stuff. This will provide the best value. For me value=quality & price. Do it right, and charge a fair price.If this is a flame for saying to lay ceramic over the existing tiletile...ss I should have been a bit more specific. While I have done this a few times, the vast majority of the times, I've either removed, or used cement board. Laying on top of vinyl is NOT my preference, but it can be done, which was the question. As I indicated you must use a thinset approved for this, and the existing floor must be of the type and condition to allow this.

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   Guest_ | Jun 21, 2000 04:29am | #5

   *Messi, no it's not a flame.I've seen some pretty shoddy work over the years. Sometimes, I wonder why they did it that way when it would have actually been easier using the proper materials and methods. Some people, eh?Part of the job description for tile setter is to be innovative. With that in mind, the mfgs have had to struggle now and then to keep pace with new installation methods. So, over the years, the materials available have gotten better. Yet, I still see crappy work where the material limitations have been exceeded. Or, the materials have been misused where the installer tried to achieve something for which the material was never intended. This is what your post reminded me of. Any way you look at it, it comes down to the capability of the craftsman. How your earlier post read was as if you were suggesting a material that could save the inferior craftsman from himself.

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   Guest_ | Jun 21, 2000 02:30pm | #7

   *Rich-Sounds like we're both on the same page. I've seen some really lousy stuff out there. Often the result of mediocre skill coupled with inferior material selection. Add the two together, and you get a pretty sorry outcome.

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   no_glue | Jun 21, 2000 02:30pm | #6

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   Guys I want to put ceramic tile in my bathroom. Its on a raised foundation.
   I want to install it with out removing the existing sheet vinyl. A contractor friend told me that I could install it right on the vinyl with out using cement board. I think I need to screw the cement board down first and then tile over the vinyl. I dunno tile is not my thing (obviously) but I need to get it done.