I’m trying to estimate how many bundles of shingles I would need for a side-wall job. (I’m not an experienced estimator.) Looking at red #2, 6 – 7” reveal. Can anyone help me?
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4 bndls per sq approx.
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I don't know where you're getting your shingles, Bird, but here in the Pacific Northwest, #2 Red Cedar shingles are 18" long. So if you want "triple coverage", which you do on a surface that takes any weather at all, even 6" to the weather is pushing your luck.
Of course, if your siding is protected from direct weather, with your roof overhang and takes no wind driven rain, I GUESS you might get by with the type exposures you're talking about - but I wouldn't want to stake my reputation on it.
I'm pretty sure that's why 5" exposure is by far the most common application of sidewall shingles. If you stick with that, and get good materials, figure on 5 bundles/square - and I seldom subtract for windows and doors when figuring area.
Hey Blodgett
My house has shakes on the walls with 15" to the weather.
I'm using 24" shingles on the walls and almost done with the back.
Why didnt you tell me I was doing it wrong.......some friend you turned out to be.....lol
The roof on the other hand are perfections at 18" and a 5 1/2" exposure. That takes 4 bndls per square.
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Andy, there is a big differeence between shakes and shingles and in the installation methods, so the same rules don't apply.
The rate of four bundles to the square is at 5" exposure. Use the same shingles at 6" and you get twenty percent more coverage so at about 6 1/2" exposure, you would only need three bundles to cover the area, but like Jim Says, it would be a marginal installation.
Jim, I took his brief comment to mean that he was using red labels rather than red cedars. The red lable #2 at that exposure are definitely inadequate. It would only be double coverage instead of triple for much of it with knots and head lap etc. It would be OK for a rustic interior feature wall but not for exposure to the weather.
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I never claimed"exactly" how many bndls it takes because all applications are different to begin with.
Some bndls have more wasted shingles/shakes than others that aren't worth the time planing down IMO. Some applications have lots of waste. etc etc
I know the differance between shakes and shingles I think.
I'm almost done doing 20 sq of perfections on my roof and over 15 sq on my walls of shakes at a 15 1/2" exposure.
I do have to say no matter what the exposure walls are a hell of a lot faster than roofs....you should know that Mr roofer lol
Be well bro
andy PS......I think the discussion about the differances in shakes and shingles had to have been spoken about here more than lil diamonds on the tape measure.
MAybe you aught to start a thread about the differances.
Thing I've found is that there are lots of people that "know" the differences in materials in a practical sense but refuse to use the right labels for what they are and even seem to refuse to for some reason.My life is my passion!
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I get the shakes when I don't remember to get my Sunday beer on saturday..wont sell it here...
shingles are a pain that attacks yer legs, somethin like to do with measles virus as akid or polio or sumptin..
I put dem tapersawns on roofs and walls unless dey be handsplits..
hand splits is like the leg splits 'cept ya bang yer head instead of the jewels.
and the best use of of a cedar shangle is cookin makerel..cook a big azz mackerel ona cedar board for an hour , throw away the fish an eat the board..<G>
should we mention CB on the walls? nah, he'll finger it out..
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that post is a BT jewel!!!!! Mwahahahahaha
I see you don't have the "shakes" today. lol
Me either....I'm takin' today off and just watchin the raindrops fall for a change and bustin' some suds like you homme.
My guys say to me on the roof that they don't need roof brackets and planks and then the next day they say their feet hurt...lol.
Planks on the roof are a great place to put yer tools and shingles and stand on for a cpl a minutes once in a while to straighten out your ankles and toes.
PS....lemmie have that cedar shingle reciept you dog.toooooo funny
Be nailed to the roof
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"I do have to say no matter what the exposure walls are a hell of a lot faster than roofs....you should know that Mr roofer lol
Be well bro"
With exception of the latter phrase quoted it has never been that way for me.
Reason being that when you place a shake or shingle on a roof, it usually stays there unless it is extrememly steep or the window is high but when you place one on the wall, you need to keep an appendage involved in holding it in place there until it has a fastener into it. in the same way, when roofing the shingles can be scattered close at hand, but on walls they are going ot be on the staging plank about three feet away. Lots more body movements involved in placing them on a wall than on roofs.
Add to that, the fact that walls have plenty of opennings for doors and windows in them that need cuts. You don't find so many cuts on roofs unless it is a Hawethorne style - you now, the house of seven gables with all the dormers and valleys.
So using the same materials, I will install roughly twice the coverage on a roof than on a side wall in the same day. I believe the estimation databases show a higher labor rate for siding than for roofing for similar reasons.
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A SQUARE IS 100 SQ FT THERE IS 33 1/3 SQ IN A BUNDLE
A bundle of what? At what exposure?
Your rate is right for simple three tab asphalt shingles but this is about cedars at various exposures.
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Here's what info I found on the web..
"Five x" or xxxxx...16'' shingles...Blue label=No.1 ,red lable No.2
"perfections" 18" same grades
"royals" 24" ditto
All can go down to green lable and black lable (black worse quality) Except royals they are all heart verticle grain basically no waste and heavy exposure to the weather..
This is all SAWN shingles not shakes.
http://www.woodroof.com
also check http://www.cedar-shingles.com
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i didnt catch the fact of it being cedar sorry
http://www.woodroof.com/ double check yer reaveal.
also if ya have a gable end A=BxH/2...area is base times height divded by two..subtract for windows ,allow for starters..
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I would say count up the sf and calculate the bundles, then, if this is the first delivery, and 15% more, because you will be short on shingles.
Now, if you find yourself with not enough, and need more, count up the amount and this time deduct 15%, because the secind time around you ususually count too much. But you reaally don't have to do that, because whatever is left over, use them for door and window installation.
I 've hung lots of doors with prestained shingles.
shims are shims, no matter what the colour
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is it called "shingle siding"? or "shim siding"
do you shim a window to fit, or "shingle it to fit"
guess what I had for breakfast..... #### on a shim.
I know where your slivers will be tomorrow morning then.
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