Anyone use one yet? I was at a friends house and he had one. I thought it was way over priced when I saw the ad…until I saw it in action. WOWW!! Incredable tool..ugh $$$. Pretty amazing what Festool came up with on this baby.
Super tight, super acurate and best of all super easy to use. If mortise and tenon joints come in handy to you a lot this piece of equiptments got my vote big time. My friend was building a door and it joined the pieces so fast and acurate and easily it made me wanna run out and buy one. He showed me on small stock too…same deal..whewwwwwwww…only thing that would have made that door easier to deal with would be to just buy it.
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What did it cost your friend to buy?
I'm thinking Festool should give me one to do a test and tell-all!
Doug
I'm thinking Festool should give me one to do a test and tell-all!>>>
Over $600 and i think they're on back order he said!
Thing really was amazing I do have to say. When I first heard of it I thought it was just a glorified bisquit joiner but thats not the case AT ALL! It makes some heavy duty joints tight and super accurate and WAYYYYYYYYY easy.
HAs these pins that line up the holes in the adjoining pieces of wood so it actually pin point accuracy!
All ya need is money...LOTS OF IT!
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Our local woodcraft had a rep demonstrating it, I got to make some mortises and stick two sticks together. Man, I was thinking," I don't need it, but I come up with something to build so I could buy/use it!"CAUTION! Don't play with the thing! It's addictive, next thing you know, you've got ideas about building a new dining set or something crazy like that.
here it was 800.00 for the tool and 220.00 for a box of a billion tenons with 4or 5 different size tenons and bits.Fantatic tool, but wait a year or so and voila! Bosch, DW, PC, Makita or DeWalt will reverse engineer it and come out with one similar and prolly 400 bucks cheaper.__________________________
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Fantatic tool, but wait a year or so and voila! Bosch, DW, PC, Makita or DeWalt will reverse engineer it and come out with one similar and prolly 400 bucks cheaper.
Just like every tool co. reinvented the Lemello bisquet jointer and sold it for $400 cheaper............. thats because thats ALL they're worth!
Sometimes you gotta pay for quality. I have no doubt that these machines are great, Festool has a good track record - but you still have to justify the money to buy it, or at least I do!
Doug
They are going to offer it at an introductory price, which is $660 for the machine and $200 for the assortment of bits and loose pins. And there will no doubt be some package deals offered as well. I saw it at a demo recently, and it was interesting that the loose pin tenons are not that much expensive than a similar number of conventional biscuits.For a trim carp such as yourself, I'm not sure that you would gain much with a Domino (over a biscuit jointer). But I think they will sell a flock of them to furniture makers who do M&T's for chairs, tables, et al.********************************************************
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Nikki
I was in Woodsmith over in Des Moines a week ago and they had the domino machine there, didnt get to run it but they had some cuts made in some scrap wood and I was mildly impressed with the fit but try as I may, I couldnt figure out how I could justify it!
I have some pretty nice jigs that I made for making different size mortice/tenons with my plunge router and they get used so infrequently that unless I aquire every tool that I want I dont see this particular one in my future - of course I'm still available to Festool to do the trial and tell all if they need me!
Doug
The biscuit joiner was invented in the 50s and didn't make it across the pond until the 80s. By that point, whatever patents there might have been would've expired. I suspect that Festool has some patents that might make it difficult for others to introduce 'me too' Domino knock-offs. So, the price might not be going anywhere for quite a while...
I'd agree with you Andy. We have had one around our shop for a month or two, so I gave it a whirl this past weekend when I was putting together a wide white oak picture frame.
I didn't read any instructions, just went at it. Works very similar to a biscuit joiner, and the joints are rock solid and very snug.
I think it's a terrific tool. I can't even come close to justifying the cost, though. Even the little box of wooden tenons costs around $200!
Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
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In fairness to Festool - you should probably point out that the $200 cost comes with a set of 3-4 cutter bits for the tool.Seems like just the cutter bits would cost you close to $30 apiece maybe...JT
This Festool topic reminds me of how annoyed I am with the fact that McFeelys, which used to be this great little nook for finding fasteners and tools of all shapes and sizes, has become Festool-Central. Now they flood my email inbox with countless Festool promotions (which generally save you very little money), and so on.
I'm just venting. I feel like McFeelys has gotten annoying, and has focused all of their attention on Festool since they became an "authorized dealer" or whatever they are. I hope they don't stop working towards other cool products and fasteners - which is their specialty, in my opinion. Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
Your Friendly Neighborhood Remodelerator
Won't the EZ-Smart system do a better job of that ???.(-:.(Sorry - Couldn't resist)
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"Won't the EZ-Smart system do a better job of that ???"
HA!! that's great!!!!funniest thing I've heard so far...__________________________
Judo Chop!
HA!! that's great!!!!funniest thing I've heard so far...
The joke was funny.
Your reaction was the funniest so far...
david
You know darn well that Dino is hard at work on an answer to the Domino.
I think Dino is going out of the "shootingboards" market.
87447.12
He can't take this forever.
david
I think I'd leave that one for Norm Abrams. Too many moving parts. I'm a sucker for shiny things and high nerd-factor, but I am perfectly happy with my PC plate joiner (which I actually prefer to the Lamello I used to use).
I'm finding it harder as time goes by to pick up tools that add more bulk than functionality to my shop. And it's not just the tool -- it's all the jigs and accesories that go with it too.
I think I'd leave that one for Norm Abrams. Too many moving parts. I'm a sucker for shiny things and high nerd-factor, but I am perfectly happy with my PC plate joiner (which I actually prefer to the Lamello I used to use).I'm finding it harder as time goes by to pick up tools that add more bulk than functionality to my shop. And it's not just the tool -- it's all the jigs and accesories that go with it too.<<<Dave,
I kinda sorta agree w/most of what you're saying...for renovators like us that is...for cabinet guys not necessarily so. Its really more of a cabinet makers tool unless you're wealty and can afford every tool out there. Bisquit joiners will be more than satisfactory for most of the work I do. And I agree about all the stuff in my shop that I can count on one hand the amt of times I use in a month.. Most of those are the "cool tools"...lol. Pretty much my cabinetry type tools.
I probably have a trunkful of tools I want on my wish list...and most of which will probably stay there until I have a big enough project to warrant buying em' which btw is how I've attained all my tools since I started in this business 30 sumpin' years ago. Buy em' as I really need em'.
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Yeah, that thing looks pretty nifty, but the cabinet work I do now is for fun, not money, so I'm not that keen about productivity anymore. I'd rather make the tenons. It's kind of like buying a dog, then hiring someone to train the dog, and hiring someone else to walk it. Why did I buy the dog if I'm not involved with it? I think the most useful and best value-for-the-money cabinetmaking tool I have is my cabinet scraper-- a 2" by 5" rectangle of stainless steel.
I'd rather make the tenons. It's kind of like buying a dog, then hiring someone to train the dog, and hiring someone else to walk it. Why did I buy the dog if I'm not involved with it? <<
Totally agree with you yet there's although the thought that goes through my mind that with more time i can do more with the project. Guess you can look at it any way you want or need to but yeh, I still agree with you. If its not for money especially. Thats why I got involved in building in the first place. It wasn't just about money.
If you haven't already read this you should!! Its one of my favorite books ever. Really surprised me when I opened it to read for the first time many years ago and I keep recommending it. I bought it wen I first got involved in cabinetry and wanted to learn more. As I started reading it I thought that Mr Krenov thought exactly the same way I do and I kept reading...he went on and on and on,,,lol..and no mention of how to build a cabinet really cept...it was the very best cabinet book I EVER read and it applies to a "whole" lot more that just cabinets.
Be well
Namaste
andy
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That's an excellent point. I heard a similar argument around the Toyota Prius. One perspective asked, "With the premium you're paying for the hybrid technology, how long would you have to drive to see your investment returned through fuel economy? And the other perspective responded, "Yes, but how much TIME do you want to spend standing at a fuel pump?"I guess shop-budget, shop-time and shop-space are parameters that require a bit of juggling. I'm sure there are shops that would find that gadget an excellent addition, just not mine.
I can see your point but it starts to sound like: I don't need a powered saw... I like handsawing 2x12's...Or, wtf you need a drill for, I don't have any problem turning a handcrank for 6x the time and effort...I see the domino as a tool that would allow a lot of projects to be completed quicker without comprimising the quality of the construction.This is obviously the kind of tool that will have to be a happy birthday to me type of tool - hard to justify unless you strictly make park benches or beds or something like that, but definitely something I could put to use a hell of a lot more than I do my biscuit jointer.It's very tempting, but I wouldn't even try and justify it if I got one - it's be a true case of spoiling myself with a new tool that I just plain out "wanted".JTJT
I'm not saying at all that I shun having tools, far from it. I am easily drawn to the nerd appeal of things. And I don't think there's some sort of nobilty in doing things by hand or "the hard way." I like to do tasks as efficiently as I can, for me that's part of the charm of woodworking. I like to make jigs and set of my procedures in ways that allow me to focus just on the specific task. And I realize that a Swiss army knife may have a lot of features, while it doesn't do anything exceptionally well... even as a knife -- I'm not trying to force versatility on tools that aren't up to the task.What I am saying is I also like to weigh the cost-benefit using up space in my shop when I buy a specialized tool. I have probably become biased from two causes: spending some time as a cabinet installer rather than working in a shop; and having since becoming an electrician. Extra baggage can be a pain. Lee Valley has tons of really cool gadgets that a really don't need. That doesn't mean they aren't useful... but my shop is 100 square feet. I have to make choices.And for me, the jump from a plate joiner to a domino isn't justified. And I am really leery of the extra moving parts, especially on a high-speed tool. I still like building cabinets, but I'm not about to go out and by a Blum mini-press to drill the shelf holes.I think I've pretty much beaten my corner of this topic to death.
Sorry for the rant.
But I swear...I "am" going to buy the Fein Multimaster,,,you'll see...I will, I will!!!
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you've been talking about buying that damn thing for about 3 years... #### or get off the pot already!
LOL...I finally was ready to bit the bullet a cpl of weeks ago and went to order it at
http://www.heavydutytools.net/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=534
and wouldn't ya know it...its out of stock and I've been checking their site every few days along w/ an Email to them today coincidently enough.
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