I think I mentioned it in passing before but now the State of Florida has implimented electronic fingerprint requirements for all contractors, appraisers and realtors. I have had a license for almost 20 years but now since I want to change the company name, I needed the prints.
$57. at the local school board building so not that big a deal (you have to use the states recognized provider) but I just keep thinking why does the honest guy have to pay the money and go through the motions to weed out the criminals? I essentially had to “prove” that I was innocent yet that seems to go against what America stands for.
Not a big deal really just thinking out loud…
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You think that's bad, try flying.
Fingerprinting is the latest craze among the bureaucrats and I've read that some police departments now want to coerce retina scans from people who claim their identity was stolen.
The fourth amendment of the Constitution is under attack from many sides. Police can now seize cash from anyone under flimsy excuses and we have to hire a lawyer to get it back. TSA recently decided its agents can stop and search U.S. citizens _leaving_ the country at any port (planes, boats, cars), and detain people based on what the see or find, even though there was no probable cause for the contact. Millions of school kids are drugged every day by educators playing doctor in violation of their privacy and civil rights.
Where does it end? Write your Congressman and Senators and tell them the Constitution really isn't hard to understand, and they swore an oath to defend it:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
"Millions of school kids are drugged every day by educators playing doctor in violation of their privacy and civil rights."
Would you mind clarifying what you mean by that?Thanks -
Jeff
"Would you mind clarifying what you mean by that?"Google: school administrator ritalin coerced
Google: ADHD is real
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. --Carl Sagan
Google: school administrator ritalin coerced
I did .... and discovered the mother lode of bu!!sh!t ....
Jeff
If we knew about ADD a century ago we would have drugged Edison, Einstein and Fermi into the dull witted stupor the schools like in a student.
Nice try, but wrong.
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. --Carl Sagan
Why is it that just because you have an official mental disorder you want everybody else to have it, too? You lonely out there or something?
Everytime anyone dares to question the industrial-scale over-prescribing of Ritalin¯ to helpless school-children, you go nuts like somebody was trying to take your meds away from you.
That's not what it's about, Dan. You're free to gobble all the meds you can persuade an MD to prescribe for you. But most of us parents object fairly strongly to having our perfectly normal, healthy, active children stuffed full of unnecessary amphetamines so some lazy teachers can coast.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
I always thing it notable that many children "have" ADD, but you plop them in front of a "Cars" DVD and they can sit motionless for 90 minutes.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
It's called hyperfocus. Typical of ADHD.
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. --Carl Sagan
Interesting.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Dino
Well said! For my money the most important thing I have seen you write.
But most of us parents object fairly strongly to having our perfectly normal, healthy, active children stuffed full of unnecessary amphetamines so some lazy teachers can coast.
I would do anything in my power to get my children away from a teacher that thinks they know more then I regarding medication for my child.
Doug
I've told the story before ...
I had ADD once ... as a grade school age kid.
something about not concentrating on my homework.
luckily my Dad spotted it right away ...
smacked it right outta my head.
one whack!
bang ... I was cured.
no more problems day dreaming ...
one of my good buddies Todd had adult ADD ... had the med's and everything. All legit. But ... to no avail ... ended up ending his marriage. He'd go on the road for work ... and forget he was married. Just couldn't concentrate on his vows.
damn disease ....
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
'splains everything Jeff ;o)Now I'm off to the Psychology Today forum to learn about nailguns ....
Jeff
Edited 8/30/2008 2:12 am ET by Jeff_Clarke
glad to be of service.
figured such advice would be especially useful here in the business folder!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I have a friend diagnosed with adult ADD. He used to be a cocaine junkie spending hundreds of dollars feeding his habit, now he gets his speed for free. (40 mg of Addrall a day, basically what we used to call black beauties).
Your dad and mine woulda got along great!
I'm lucky Ryan's head ain't as hard as mine was; I don't have to do much more than give him the evil eye 98% of the time. 1.9999% of the time I gotta give him what we call 'a blast'--which is a verbal instruction to straighten his act out that usually requires repainting of any gyprock in the vicinity.
0.0001% I gotta knock some sense into him. Happened only twice so far in 10 years....
The worst time for him is when X has been drugging him into a daze for two weeks straight and then cuts him off cold turkey just before she sends him to me for a weekend. Poor little guy is suffering bad rebound effect from being on that shït and can hardly keep himself from bouncing off the walls. It takes a lotta patience for me to wait it out 'cause there's nothing he can do about it. You can see it in his eyes. Usually I'll send him outside to mud-wrassle with the pooch or run around the lake or something, and then toss him into a nice hot bubble bath before supper. That's the kind of thing that helps the most.
It takes at least a couple of weeks before he recovers his real self, but once the cräp is outta his system and his hormones stabilise he's just as sweet and cooperative and attentive as he ever was. I didn't find this out until last year's vacation, the first time I'd had him away from her for more than 8 hours at a time in three and a half years.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
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Gee, such anger. You and Dan need to take your meds or find stronger stuff. I'm guessing you're too old for Ritalin, so maybe Divalproex or Olanzapine will help. Like they say on TV, "Ask your doctor", 99.9% or the time they'll write the Rx.
That would conflict with my current medication
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> Like they say on TV, "Ask your doctor", 99.9% or the time they'll write the Rx.Bullfeathers!! There may be some docs that are that free with the prescription pad, but I had to spend a month knocking from doc to doc to find one that would continue my existing meds when my previous doc had to drop me. I eventually had to go "out of network".
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. --Carl Sagan
Edited 8/29/2008 12:48 pm by DanH
That topic is a tavern topic but the school druggings started with the discovery of ADD, then ADHD, now Autism and there will be ten new discoveries (or more) in the near futures.
Edited 8/29/2008 9:42 am by Jim_Allen
Why does Michigan now require double licensing for llc's & S-corps?
I now have to have my license as the QO, and one for the business.
The rub is the one for the business is useless. If I sell the company, the bus license is temporarily suspended until another QO comes in.
The second license is nothing more than a $250 poster. That is until 3 years have elapsed then its garbage and I have to do it all over again.
Its simply another tax.
You've been in business 20 years they dont care about you, but they did get $57 from you didnt they?
Family.....They're always there when they need you.
Well, it's politically incorrect to raise income taxes or sales taxes or whatever, so states and localities are instituting higher "user fees" to get the money they need to operate. Sort of like how airlines won't raise rates but instead charge for checked baggage, et al.
In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. --Carl Sagan
Actually the user fees, don't always cover the actual cost of the operation that is servicing the user.
I personally prefer user fees, to a general tax increase.
If you want more of that, keep voting Dems and Pubs in. So far, they haven't collectively shown any inclination to preserve our civil liberties.
" all contractors, appraisers and realtors. "
I noticed that mortgage brokers are not on that list.
Last week I read an article about how many convicted criminals that there mortgage brokers and the commission just ignored the problems.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Of course not. What harm can a mortgage broker do?
Edited 8/28/2008 8:07 pm ET by JDLee
Are you being serious?.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
No... a bit of levity given the current situation.
I don't really mind paying the taxes. The money for all the infrastructure & programs has to come from its citizens. What bothers me is the loss of civil rights, the political balance swings from one end to the other over time & it is high time it starts to swing back. I remember my father being stopped in a roadblock years ago designed to catch drunk drivers. Everyone was to blow into a tube before being allowed to pass. He refused- over 70 years old, sober as a judge in church. The cop let him go- probably didn't was to spend a couple of hours listening to a ww11 vet talk about America & what it meant to be american. We need more of that when it comes to our civil rights.
"What bothers me is the loss of civil rights, the political balance swings from one end to the other over time & it is high time it starts to swing back."It won't swing back. They've found a way to anchor it.
There are states where they fingerprint you during even the most minor traffic stop. And I think one state may even be taking DNA.
Imposing harsh criminal penalties and requiring DNA and fingerprints are the kinds of things legislators can do to appear to be hard at work and protecting you. When I was in college (in the 80's), one of my text books and some accompanying articles I read focused on the inability of legislators to deal with many of the newer legal issues that face us in an ever more complex society. But they can always stiffen sentences and take away civil liberties.
These databases do help us catch criminals. There are countless crimes committed before DNA testing was ever thought of that are just waiting to be solved. I'm sure tens of thousands of crimes could be solved if the government can have everyone's DNA and fingerprints in a central database.
I guess you should just be glad they are only asking for fingerprints. My guess is that within 20 years they'll be asking for DNA. I don't care so much about the fingerprints, but DNA carries huge privacy concerns.
And $57 seems really steep to take a set of fingerprints. If you would have just shoplifted something, they'd have done it for free!
years ago I had to be fingerprinted for a job application.
got the form and the local police department did it for free.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Jeff,
Yeah and guess what???? Our sherriffs dept will do it for free too but the state won't accept it!
Go figure. I guess they think like alot of us try to tell our customers...if its free, we can't guarantee the quality. :)
Mike
" but the state won't accept it!"
nice. Mine also was for an FBI background check ...
FBI will take it but your state won't.
my interviews were for a job remodeling US embassy's thru out the world ...
so our local cops could print me for that ...
but U can't get your local's so U can do local remodeling!
again ... government at it's finest.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
"years ago I had to be fingerprinted for a job application.
got the form and the local police department did it for free."I'm pretty sure our local police dept. will fingerprint you for free. As well as take your picture and provide housing.The application process for all this can be a bit painful, though.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
and here I thot I got some "all inclusive" weekend stay!
no wonder I didn't get that job I was applying for ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I had to get fingerprinted for my inspectors license and my wife needed them for a CAM license. She went to the Sheriffs office where it was $10. It took them 3 tries to get a set of prints the FBI would accept.
I had mine done at a gun store (class III dealer). They sailed through.
He was the same guy who did my prints for my CCW license and BATF Form 4. It was free.
They fingerprint you here in TX to get a drivers license. That was the first time in my life I've been printed.
shall we say our good byes before the results of yur match run comes back???
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I was in the military and had some places that required security clearances in civilian life so I am fairly well documented down at the FBI.
I think biometric IDs are going to be universal in the 21st century. You are already on 70-80 cameras a day in your normal travels. You don't go in a big store without being tracked by a dozen or more cameras. Facial recognition is getting good enough that they can pretty much tell who you are if they have a few clues (credit card swipes, ATM withdrawals etc). Lots of banks use a thumb print reader. Once they put an ID to your face they can keep track of you. These days your grocery store probably knows as much about you as the casinos used to a decade ago.
I am ready for my "chip". I assume I have no secrets anymore.
At this point I might like the guy at Home Depot to come up to me in the paint aisle and say "last week you bought the baby poo tan paint #1122, looking for some more?"
"The computer says you just passed your FEPA/C inspection, want us to deliver that drywall?"
It's Homeland Security in action, whether you like it or not.
We originally had to be printed, but then later had to have them redone at our expense in the electronic mode. We found out that it's trickier than the old way and DW had to back three times before someone actually got an electronically readable print from her. Evidently dry thin skin is much harder to take prints from. PITA
"PITA"
I think I see a flaw in their "printing" methods!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
So that's why they didn't need me to come back and they did need her to come back!
Without reading all the other responses, I say why do you care other than the $57.
In a former life I was fingerprinted for a TS security clearance. I'm sure it is on file with the FBI. Who cares? I'm not planning on committing any felonies or anything....
I do think real estate agents should be fingerprinted though' ;-)
20 agents will go by and take a note that its out.
10 of those agents might call a store to see if they have the right bulb.
5 of these agents might go and buy the bulb.
But only one will actually bother to pull over a chair and get up there and change it!
Actually that is total BS - every one will note to the customer that it is an electrical defect and that a qualified electrician should repair the defect - just to let the client know that they have some value to add.
Hi Matt,
I guess my only beef was that I had to put out the $57 and take a few hours of my time to do it. I have had a license in the state for many years and just thought that maybe the "burden of proof" should be put upon criminal contractors to prove they are worthy of having a license than clean guys like myself having to prove I have the right to keep mine.
Not a big issue really as my prints were already on file from a few years ago when I was doing some teaching. (Would have been nice if they could have used that set but Nope) I would just like the State to spend more time and money going after illegal (unlicensed) contractors who are ripping folks off each and every day (I am on our local building board so I see them all each month) than setting up ways for the legit guys having to jump through another hoop to keep our license.
Between Continuing Educattion, proof of banking status and now fingerprinting, its getting to be a bit much. But at least I can safely say I am fully licensed with nothing to hide...
Yea - the combination of $57 AND the 2 hours would burn me.... I guess it's a one time deal...
At least now that I have heard about it, if (when?) it moves a few states north I won't be surprized.