Hello, I’m wondering what the average cost is for flagstone on a 1675 sq. ft. backyard installed around a swimming pool. Can I also share quote information with other members. Running scared by a 66,ooo dollar quote and contract.
The Capts wife
Hello, I’m wondering what the average cost is for flagstone on a 1675 sq. ft. backyard installed around a swimming pool. Can I also share quote information with other members. Running scared by a 66,ooo dollar quote and contract.
The Capts wife
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Wher are you located?
What are the specs-That must be on concrete, any other prep included?
If the grade is close and if there is no special details or edging, then 6" gravel,6"concrete, 1½" bluestone on a mortor bed, grouted joints-
$46,900.00 No. westchester NY
Edited 3/5/2005 5:33 pm ET by JAYZOG
Thank you for your reply! Santa Rosa, CA is the location. Specs are up to 1635 sq. ft. of pool deck,patio and stair areas. Total for flagstone finish 49,040.00. Flagstone includes an allowance of $400 per ton, 4' base rock a 3# rebar mat, and 4' of concrete underlayment.
Remove existing concrete and wood deck $4905.00
Remove and replace tile around swimming pool. $2300.
Stair steps total for flagstone 7,200.00I
I hope this is what you asked for. Thankful for your help, Capts wife
I guess you can tell from my name that I have this thing for stone.
But flagstone sucks as a pool deck. Use nice pavers instead. It'll look far more classy than random flagstone with 6" spaces between the stones.
Probably cheeper too.
stone
That may be so in some cases but the pool at my house which is basically in the woods behind my 1680 house has pavers and it looks totally stupid.
I'll be removing them in the spring and using some sort of stone....not sure what....river rock'd be nice if they were all flat enough....gonna have to look around.
Be stoned
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Try looking at used cobblestones. Smooth tops, although probably slippery when wet, but can't imagine more so than river rock. Usually there's at least one other side that's even enough, but not too smooth to break up the monotony. Got some, made up a panel for my wife and we're gonna be using 'em for a fireplace in our 1790's barn.
very difficult to find used cobbles around here and they're real expensive....people use new ones for thier aprons on driveways cause they don't wanna spend the big bucks on the used ones.
I have a lotta sq ft to do so I donb't think its an option.
River rock or something similar would probably cost me abot $200 a skid or ton if i shop around....Was just a thought...
Looking at pictures of some high end homes with pools they used real stone and it looks totally breathtaking....not sure that I can afford it but hey......I'm doing the work as usual so....
Thanks for the thoughts.
Be stoned
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
There's a stoneyard in town here (NH) that gets 'em from NYC when they're redoing a road there. Resells 'em for 1.75-1.95/ea, so about $8-9/sq ft. Certainly not cheap, but I've had to replace some other kinds of patio stone around our place and that stuff ain't cheap either. Hope you find something you like - you're right about pavers and woods/old house. Just don't go together.
Andy,
I'll be using bluestone. 1" thick, sawn and flamed on some parts, 2" thick gauged on others.
All of it comes in rectanglar shapes in 6" increments. The sawn/flamed is spot-on in dimension, you can lay them like tile, no grout lines if you prefer. Very predictable. The full thickness gauged can be slightly off dimension...a 1/4" longer here, an eighth short there...much better to plan a grout joint with them.
The 1" sawn/flamed is roughly $4.15 a foot, the 2" gauged is about $3.85.
Andy, you're right. Some pavers look absolutely stupid. Along the line of what some of the others are saying about cobbles is what I originally had in mind. Some color tones and types of high end tumbled pavers give the cobble appearance without the slipperyness. One does not find these at Home Desperate.
Ed, a very good point about the quality of the mason. Right now as I write this, I'm at the Hilton Waikoloa on the big island and they have these flagstone paths everywhere. Despite this being a multibillion dollar resort, the quality of the masons leave very much to be desired. Although laid relatively level in a mud bed over the 4" of ceement, the joints vary from 1/4" to 3". And some of the stones themselves have seemed to wear, or better yet, dissolve, leaving trip hazards.
My overall point is: If someone is willing to pay 50 G's or more on a pool deck, he owes it to himself to thoroughly evaluate all options. Perhaps bringing some pool deck pro for a consultation. Also, the macro and micro geographical location certainly comes into play.
My last home in S. Cal had a wrecked pool and pool deck (concrete with a rock salt finish) that had died due to sinkage and water infiltration into the soil causing upheaval. Once I repaired the pool (one end had sunk 4" lower than the other), I wanted a deck that wouldn't crack, upheave, or have to be replaced every couple of years. The aforementioned pavers on a nice deep well-compacted sand bed met all of my requirements. Including the coping mortared onto the pool walls. I had to bring in a colorist to properly match the color tones with the landscape and house colors. I've yet to see flags match the high end appearance.
Another poorly made point: Flags laid on top of ceement will suffer the same result of any other form of poured concrete. They are guaranteed to crack. Patching looks like white trash down the road. Pavers can be replaced and/or reset should something not work as planned.
I had my stone mason install a 1,000 sf patio using random stone, and he chipped all the edges so there's no joint bigger than an inch. Looks good.
I'm sorry, I thought you wanted it done the right way.
Hate to drag a thread off course, but being as you're a "stone guy" - Do you know how monument companies do writing on stones? Is it freehand, or do they have CNC machines?There's a big chunk of limestone (I think) out at the farm that I've thought about having the family name carved on. We found it in a ditch out in the pasture back when I was a kid. It's about 7' X 4' X 3' - Really unusual for this part of Illinois. Took us 2 years to get it dug out (by hand) and then pulled out with 3 tractors. We pulled it up to the house and put it in the corner of the yard. Obviously hauling it in to a monument place isn't much of an option. Can they do that writing stuff on site?
The best way to change someone's mind is with a rock
Boss,
Call your nearest funeral home and they will steer you in the right direction. It can be done in place, how do yah think they put the date of those markers after folks die? Serious, in a small town the lettering guys usually come through about once a year. I'm not sure if it's done by hand or not but it always looks cool when it's done.
Oh yeah,
If it's limestone it ain't gonna last very long. Whens's the last time you heard of a customer requesting limestone countertops?
Edited for spelling
Edited 3/7/2005 4:31 pm ET by rookie
"If it's limestone it ain't gonna last very long"
Why not?
We pulled it up in the yard in 26 years ago, and it hasn't deteriorated significantly.
Some people say that I'm superficial, but that's just on the surface.
I dunno, I'm not a geologist. Maybe there's an international conspiracy to make granite mandatory for grave markers, much like the one that has lead to the debasement of fomica as a countertop. The only thing I've seen in cemeteries besides granite has been marble and that don't look too good after a hundred years. I have seen some limstone but my father in law the funeral director says it doesn't last. Something about being very pourous and thus subject to damage from freeze and thaw cycles. I think were talking hundred year lifecyles here as opposed to say.....thousand years?
Well, this would be more of a novelty than anything. If it lasted 50 years, it would outlast me..Although - I know of another, BIGGER rock that I might be able to haul up there that's not limestone... (-:
I'm not 40-something. I'm $39.95, plus shipping and handling.
Why don't yah get out a chisel and chip it away yerself?
Edited 3/8/2005 1:08 pm ET by rookie
I'm not positive, but isn't this done by using a template and sandblasting? Of course, I'm sure a full stone shop would have a router based system.
Doesn't look too far off to me- especially in California.
Bob
This is sorta of a tongue in cheek suggestion, why not find a company that does stamped concrete?
Not the fly by night kind, but the guys that do multi coats of color and shading. Some very expensive homes that i have worked on use it when cost is a consideration.
I've seen some beautiful stamped & dyed concrete. It loses it's beauty upon cracking, however. It's guaranteed to do so in California.
stone
any idea of what might be most cost effective being that I'll be doing the work....there already is a cement slab with pavers simply laid over em' that I'm going to pull up and see if the mason supply house wants to buy em'.I was thinking something in the neighborhood of river rock cause its relativly flat and would blend into the landscaping real nice IMO.I've already been out looking and that seems to be the best bang for the buck but I'm open to ideas.
Be stoned
a...
Ps.hope youre having a blast!!!The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
Waz the condition of the slab? Can you simply pop the pavers off without damaging it? Whats the shape of the decking? Rectangular, meandering, circular?
I appreciate your desire to be cost effective cause this is an area where things pile up unexpectedly. In my case, I only had perhaps 10 to 20 linear feet of straight. The rest was curved in some direction or another. I found that buying (as opposed to renting) a 14" diamond block saw was far cheeper. I or my helper ran that saw for 3 to 4 months cutting miters for the edging.
But I only had to thinset the coping and other edges where there was a stem wall to lay upon. The rest was on sand. Did all of the hardscape in these pavers - even the driveway. Somewhere around 3000 sq. feets. Once I got the pattern (herringbone) defined and the edging in place, I hired a nice Mexican guy at $15 per hour to finish it. Kept him on the job with the promise of a "completion bonus" - the block saw itself. I was done with it and I figured it would provide him with a tool to do better in feeding his family. My total cost when everything was done was somewhere around 30K.
Not a bad time out here. Just got back from watching the whales. They're much more active here than off Dana Point.
Pricey place, though.
Unfortunatly the foundation around the pool is super solid cement with wire in it.
Unfortunatly because I'd have planted grass rather than the expense of stone.
One good thing on the other hand is that the bricks are just laid in there dry.
Wonder if I can sell all the bricks to my mason yard. My guess is yes.Now its just a matter of finding the right stones to cement down.
I thought river rock cause its sort of flat yet it probably can get real slippery. MAybe theres something I could coat it with???The pool it self is about 15x50 and the area around it that is cement is about an 8' width give or take till you get to the fence.Katrina asked about bluestone but I think that might not look great either although easy to put down....hmmmmm
If I sell this house for approx 2.3 mil I think I should go with what looks best being that I'm the labor cost along with my helpers.I've seen some spectacular stone patio areas around pools on TV and in mags. I don't have those kinda bucks but would love to figure out a way to do some kinda stone work thats cost effective for me which is why I was thinking river rock...
Reckon I'll go to all the yards by me and see what shakes...if you have any ideas let me know.
Be well bro
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
I've been thinking...
Another thing I've done was using quartzite (schist). Comes in 3 types (that I know of) - cream, gold, and silver. It's quite flat and shiny. In some applications it may be too much, but,
I took a bunch of random throwaways of all three and cut them into 3" x 6" rectangles. Then took these and laid a herringbone pattern similar to using bricks. Used the cream colored as the focal point. But your design could be anything that you could see in some tile or stone shop, including larger sizes (although that would call for something other than throwaways). You'll want to use the thinnest ones cause this rock is really, really hard.
Or one could use these as an inlay with other similar flat stones (slate).
Or see if you can score some 4 x 8 sheets of granite or other stone from some closeout or auction. Have these bad boys laid flat on a dryish mortar mix around the pool and use your angle grinder to cut the edges abutting the coping (use a contrasting rock as the coping).
I've also used 32" x 6" strips of this quartzite as thresholds. To most it's nice, but to the trained stone(d) eye, it's stunning.
Around Dana Point, this stone has also been used as flagstone, or even as exterior wall coverings such as that seen in the commercial complex at Golden Lantern and Del Avion.
But because it's so shiney - you'll need something with it to cool the effect down.
I also did a fireplace using this stuff stacked so's only the edges were seen. Had to cut long narrow strips allowing only the natural edges to show cause that's where the character comes out when stacked. But around the firebox, I used the above 3x6 pieces laid flat on the vertical to frame the opening. And above the mantle, framed by the stacked columns on the sides, the same pieces were laid in a vertical herringbone. Made an outstanding background for the family portrait. I've got some photos somewhere, but I'll need to get them digitized in order to post.
Hated to leave that house....
Dude
I need to absorb that last post to me/sounds really intense so I need to....as I said absorb it...
Too bad you don't live closer.you most certainly have stone fever and I dig that bro...
Back at ya
Be stoned
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
If you really wanna get wild, I guess you could always lay some flat Petosky stones on that ceement.
you most certainly have stone fever
If you only knew how bad... Pity the poor wife...
Let me know when you're coming out to visit IMERC. Them hills is filled with stones...
Let me know when you're coming out to visit IMERC. Them hills is filled with stones...<<<<<<<<Yeh, but it might be an issue gettin' em' all on the plane.The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
If you really wanna get wild, I guess you could always lay some flat Petosky stones on that ceement.<<<<<<That might get a tad expensive....I thought they just used lil' bits of it for jewlery?
Be well
a...The secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
About the engraving, it is done by sandblasting. You need to get in touch with a momument dealer who can do it or suggest someone.
I was gonna suggest calling my bor to ask for the guy that did his ...
but saw you're about Oakland ... and he's south of LA.
Cali is the land of cheap stone and tile work though.
I'd keep checking ... maybe that price is fair ... maybe not?
only your local guys will know for sure.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry in Carpentry
Pgh, PA