Anybody here use this stuff? If so, please give me your take on it.
Their URL: www.floormuffler.com
I like the idea its got IIC rating of 74; and STC rating of 73.
Haven’t gotten a price/roll quote from flooring out fit as yet though…
I’m thinking of using it over a concrete slab and under an engineered HW flooring product in my LR and DR.
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Edited 10/11/2008 2:04 pm by mizshredder2
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shameless self bump as I try and find out what y'all think about various underlayments for an engineered hw floor, and this particular underlayment that the sales rep now says is 50 cents/sq ft ($50/roll).
help?
anyone?
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would Midas be of any help???
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Midas is an automotive muffler shop.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
I know THAT ya smartalec you!
But we also know IMERC can be pretty darn cryptic... he coulda been referring the the proverbial "King Midas" and his golden touch and there was some connection to that which I couldn't readily discern.
or something totally different!
(aw geeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz, ya think IMERC was just yanking me with the MIDAS because the product's name has 'muffler' in it?)
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Edited 10/12/2008 4:34 pm by mizshredder2
just a humorus bump...
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WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
ah - ok.
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careful on country of origin with bamboo...
as I understand it, product from China is laden with herbicides, insecticides and and bleaches that are banned from use in most countries...
also mold/fungus spoore counts are way high... hence the chemicals.. but they aren't getting them all...
the spoore counts are due to wharehouse flooding but the product(s) were prettied up and shipped anyways...
the bleech is for the water and chemical stains...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
The link Bill posted sums it up some. Floor Muffler is widely used for floating installations as an upgrade. Another one that comes to mind is Sound Solutions. Kahrs has a good one too in their Quiet Stride.
http://www.healthierchoice.com/soundsolutions.html
When I was retailing, my costs were about .30 for the FM and .41 per square foot for SS. Hollow has much to do with the thinner products (5/16" etc) being used with cheaper underlayments.
Inadequate floor prep will make any choice meaningless.
Thanks for that info. That Sound Solutions product sounds pretty good. It seems that they are willing to send samples and brochures but to companies (i.e. gotta have a tax ID number - kinda situation - which I dont...sniff).
But I'll be up in Little Rock on Wednesday and see if any of the flooring stores up there have any of either the FloorMuffler or Sounds Solutions product in stock so I can take a closer IRL look at it.
Would you talk to me a bit more about your last posted sentence please?
SO far I've ripped out the carpet, pad, baseboard, tile, cleared the tack strips, excess glue from where carpet was, cleared all the residual mastic and thinset (yes, there was a disparity of product used under the ceramic tiled area...). Now I'm down to the concrete slab in both my LR & adjoining DR.
I've already done moisture test - all ok there.
I HAVE found hairline crack in the slab and did tape some visqueen over it for a month+ to see if there was ever any evidence of moisture - NONE, even when we had some major rain events around here.
I am thinking of taking my Bosch Hammerdrill and chipping down the one existing - well for lack of a better word - "mound" area. I would say that it's proud of the rest of the slab by 1/8th inch. Nothing noticeable under the prior carpet+pad, but my suspicion is that I need as flat a floor as possible for a good layering of underlayment, then product.
What say you? Is there something else I need be doing or considering?
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I'm not leaning towards finished floor being either cork or bamboo for my own place - although I've certainly looked at A LOT of products and product lines, for each up til now...
Instead, I believe I need to stay a bit more traditional (due to resale concerns and what goes over most in this area's houses).
Leaning more towards hickory product. I like the interlock edge designs on the engineered flooring by Kahrs but dang their prices...yikes!
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Hickory....
can see that from here...
lookin' good...
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WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Yeah, I still like a Hickory product I've been eyeballing since the beginning of this saga...but also have a sample rec'd and in hand of Kahr's Woodlock original collection - 15mm, "brazilian cherry brasilia, 2 strip" that I'm liking the looks of, too.
At some point here I just gotta pull the trigger and ORDER a product and go with it. By then, I wanna know what underlayment I'm ordering along with it and whether I can get by with T-strips to span the 8'1" openings to that 3/8th inch height ceramic tile in adjoining foyer? or if I'm buying something over 1/2" thick which, with underlayment, is gonna steer me to a "baby threshold" transition peice, etc.
Well, I gotta go read more good info on http://www.hardwoodinstaller.com now!
back later
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Noticed in other threads you deal with flooring - might you have a minute to address this query?
TIA!
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Not a whole lot of info.But try searching here.http://hardwoodflooringtalk.com/phpbb2/search.phpAnd from Ken's site.http://www.hardwoodinstaller.com/hardwoodinstaller/reviews-flooring-underlayment.htm.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Thanks for those URLs Bill!
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This is a family site, you know. Talking about self-bumping is not allowed.
SNORK!
(ok, I'll take my "self love" elsewhere...<g>)
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I'm sure there are other sites where... uh... I don't wanna know.
Yeah, don't go losing your head...
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I'm not an acoustics expert, but an STC rating of 73 is quite good. Maybe too good.
I didn't see any reference to any specific test done on the material- they just say it was done by a lab. I would be very suspicious of that figure unless I was able to verify that an unbiased testing agency completed the appropriate tests to determine its efficacy.
Jon Blakemore
RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
I hear ya about being able to "verify" a mfr's claims re performance but I hate hate hate that "hollow" sound on improperly laid tiles and since I have a zillion reasons that this HW floor is gonna be floated vs glued down, I thought this underlayment product looked INTERESTING.
Not crazy bout the price of it though.
still...
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Ken have you heard of this stuff.
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
If you want to do a finish over a subfloor, that can be glued down, look at the specifications for the Sika Acoubond system.
What it consists of is a perforated foam sheet and a specialized urethane adhesive, plus the application tools for the adhesive. The foam sheet interlayer is laid atop the subfloor, and the holes, obround in shape, are in a staggered pattern. The purpose of the holes is to receive the adhesive, so that the floor finish is bonded to the subfloor, with the foam sheet sandwiched between.
The foam sheet is not only the sound transmission dampener, but functions as a cushion, too. The last time I checked, the sheet was available in two thicknesses.
The application tool for the urethane glue is a cylindrical receiver, a plunger, squeeze trigger, and snout with tip. Sausage-like charges of glue go into the receiver, mate to the snout, and the tip feature makes for a bead that when laid on the floor into the holes in the sheet, are pyramidal in cross section. You want this to get proper contact with the finish material that is going atop.
I have seen this done with beautiful hardwood t&g strip. The slight cush you get when walking on the floor is minimal, pretty much the same feeling as when walking on the Pergo and Wilsonart products when installed with the foam underlayment.
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Thanks for all that but...
I'm leaning towards a floating engineered floor versus a glue down, because it's just me doing this install and I'm not confident about a gluedown installation whereas I feel (rightly or wrongly) like I should be able to install a floating floor on top of a decent underlayment, on my own...and do a good job.
That's my hope anyway!
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Have you compared it to the other manufacturers similar products? Mapaisonic etc? I would imagine their sound attenuation figures will give you an idea if what you have seen are correct.
I'd LOVE to compare it to more of similar type sound deadening underlayment products - can you please name some or provide their URLs?
Right now I'm keying in on the FloorMuffler and the Sound Solutions product lines.
I typed in "Mapaisonic" to Google and got NOTHING; and I have no idea what it is or if there's a typo in that - so could you help clarify that for me please?
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I just wanted to take a moment and let y'all know that I really appreciate your time and assistance.
I'm not lazy - I'll google the heck outta stuff with the best of them. But I come here to this BT crowd because I respect and want to know what y'all have used and would recommend, rather than me buying into something based upon sales pitches and marketing materials.
SO - thanks again for helping me!
Clara
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My fault. It's Mapesonic SM. You might also want to look at Sound Down from NRI.
http://www.mapei.com
http://www.nriindustries.com
Thanks for those.
I've read thru the mapesonic and it seems geared towards use under tile or stone (whereas I'm prepping for a floating engineered hardwood floor).
When I read the quietDown website:
at this point:
http://www.nrtna.com/quietdown_install.html
You'll note it allows freelaying of their product, tape the seams, lay LAMINATE over it...but
when it shows "engineered wood" as flooring product, it wants the quietdown to be glued to slab, then the wood flooring to be glued to the QuietDown product.
And I'm trying to avoid a glue down installation.
BUT I really Do like the quietdown product. Have printed out their data - looks like they're predominantly in Pacific NW and there's alink to distributor in Ohio... so anyway, will get on the 1-877 numbers tomorrow and see what I can find out from talking to these folks directly.
THANKS
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