How do you get an 18′ handrail in a stair well that is 44″ wide & has the entry door at a right angle to the stairs? Wooden wall mount rail. Is there a way cut the rail & then join it back together?
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Honestly, I'd rather cut a hole in the wall. it's easier to patch some sheetrock than it is to re-assemble a handrail. Assuming it's sheetrock....
Exterior walls on 3 sides.
Down through the roof. Replacing shingles is easy, and the helicopter will really impress the HO....
If that fails, try using one of these to rejoin the handrail:
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http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&cat=3,41306,41308,40935&p=40935
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Same way ya got the stairs in there.
; )
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
Pp, Qq
Built on site before drywall.
I figgered.....just bein' a wizeazz hopin' to bump your thread to someone with ideas.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
Pp, Qq
How about coming from above? Can you bring it in a window upstairs and down to the staircase?
In from above is my first choice, but I would not find it hard to cut and rejoin either
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use the force young skywalker.
really, really, really steam bend it.
then straighten it back out.
Jeff
my first thot was that window up there at the top of them stairs ...
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I had to do that once.
If you have to cut it, plan it carefully so that the joint ends up on a handrail bracket. Measure carefully. I used a scarf joint, dowels (I think) and epoxy. If I was going to do it today I'd probably think about using a Kreg jig and pocket screws and epoxy across the joint.
If you are not familiar with rail bolts, you could miter the rail at 45º and reassemble over a bracket. Lots of glue, a few nails, some sanding and filler. Done carefully, with a touch up, it would be strong enough for a straight run and hard to spot.
Edit: Do not use epoxy. Tests have proven, good old carpenters glue is stronger than anything on a tight wood to wood joint.
"Perfect is the enemy of Good." Morrison
Edited 4/21/2008 5:54 pm by gordsco
"Do not use epoxy. Tests have proven, good old carpenters glue is stronger than anything on a tight wood to wood joint."Not on end grain like this
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What type of epoxy do you recommend?"Perfect is the enemy of Good." Morrison
I'd use West system and dowels for that. Rail bolts to draw together.But having seen the photo, I think it can be twitched in there like dovetail said.
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I'd recommend a wood dowel and regular old titebond.
cut square too ... no need for mitering.
fit the biggest dowel U can in there and get on with life.
glue, sand and finish.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
man...
is this ever one of those times I'm glad I'm really... really far away....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Wuuss.
I figured you to drive the helo, at least.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
with some of the stunts he pulls...
that's MR WUSS to you....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
that's MR WUSS to you....
fair 'nuff.
Hear were going on a Trout Expediton, hope it's snow free!
Were still a few months out here on the thaw......
Glen's pic looks like my place early last week.
Today came home from winning a court case and found the eyeglasses Ryan 'lost' last Sunday (by putting them down outside where the pooch could get at 'em). Found 'em in the vegetable garden where there was 16" of snow two days ago. Nekkid dirt today....
Rivers and lakes are high and still rising; had to drive through 12" of water for 300 meters of flooded road to get to the courthouse today. Went around the long way to come back home via the highway. Don't need water in my rear end or transfer case, for sure....
What kinda trout you guys going after?
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
'bout time somebody saw it my way...
lot of the snow up here is up to my shoulder on the average...
drifts are very unrealisticly deep still....
rains and browns....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Thot you had cutthroats out there in the Rockies. Read in some book somewhere that they just about jump into the creel, like speckles.
Going after some rainbows and arctic char here in a week or three. Just waiting for the ice to go out. Too thin now to walk out and bore a hole....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
plenty of cuts...
different location...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Oh, yeah, forgot to tell you; Ryan wants to go out on the big lake for muskie this year. Dunno where he got that idea in his head. Musta heard it from one of his friends. I'm trying to explain to him why you don't catch muskies with a 6# trout rod and I'm not getting through how big these suckers get...so I take him to the fishmongers in the supermarket and ask for a smelt. The kid behind the counter hands me a nice fat one, about half-again as big as my hand.
'What's that for?' Ryan asks.
'Bait.'
'Oh....'
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Remember all the stuff that the trades left on the garage floors? Dam piece workers, put one mans trash to Good use......
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How about the description on handrail connections from Oct/Nov 2007 - p. 48-49 or here http://tinyurl.com/4ul2ta
Cut it where it will be on a hanger, then use a rail bolt and titebond.
Is this a prefinished rail?
There are two kinds of people who never amount to much:
those who cannot do what they are told, and those who can do nothing else.
Thanks for the input!
Here is the stair well in Question,
Need to go get a Pizza, will be back to get a game plan going & talk Snow!
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Edited 4/21/2008 9:34 pm by G80104
No problem. Pre cut the returns and miters. Cut hand rail to length. Carpet or moving pad taped to the the door way , both sides. Start the rail in and start shoving and pulling, 3 men would be nice but 2 can do it. Keep it low at the door and high at the upper end. Pad the upper end or put a "slide" board there to keep from digging into the drywall. Assemble in place. Easier to cut and dowel, or biscuit, or rail bolt it though, glue , sand , finish in place.
I put my splices between brackets (which are about 5' o. c.).
Edited 4/22/2008 2:17 am by dovetail97128
looks to be a secondary staircase..........I'd use a japanese joint to reattach the cut.......maybe even two, make it look like you planned it....show the joint(s) off instead of trying to hide it.
I was thinking the other stairs....
pull one of the windows at the top of the stairs....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
This job would be the perfect excuse (if you need one) to get one of these to join the handrail together:http://www.festoolusa.com/pages.aspx?docid=536And I would get a set of these to pull it together for clamping:http://www.besseytools.com/products/wood/IrregularAngleClamp.php
Depending on the rail profile, putting the joint over a bracket could make a problem for attaching the bracket...18' is pretty long for a single piece handrail... special order, or is it already joined? If dogs run free, then what must be,
Must be, and that is all.
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In harmony with the cosmic sea,
True love needs no company,
It can cure the soul, it can make it whole,
If dogs run free.
Paint grade bread loaf style.
Will try the cut & glue with rail bolt. Will be a 1st for us!
Hear were going on a Trout Expediton, hope it's snow free!
Were still a few months out here on the thaw......
When gas hits $4 a gal. will there be a line at the Honda Dealerships in Detroit?
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Edited 4/21/2008 11:49 pm by G80104
Hmmm, never used snowshoes to go fishin before...
Let me know when all of that starts to melt, so I can get to higher ground!
There are two kinds of people who never amount to much:those who cannot do what they are told, and those who can do nothing else.
did I mention in another thread about the boots and snow shoes????
we be fishing higher up than that....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Should I bring this??
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There are two kinds of people who never amount to much:those who cannot do what they are told, and those who can do nothing else.
we can get one of yur DuPont lures to cover for us....
Glenn knows he'll be going...
the clothes woud be a requirement...
however if you'd like to be a bit on the practicle side....
this would be nice...
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or we could get by with this....
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
do the whole deal thru the 2nd floor...
you have the space and swing room....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
People ... please.
it's a paint grade handrail in a poorly lit stairwell.
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Not really poorly lit, 3 lights on the wall , 2 on the lid & 2 fix framed windows on the top landing. Don't feel like un glazing windows for a handrail. Were going to try the install this weekend. Could go Oak, but its the 2nd set of stairs for the loft so I just need to pass code.
Been the weekend thing for the past 20 months, with only the help of two friends & my sons (16 & 19). We did the Foundation , frame ,roof siding , insulation, drywall,paint, flooring, tile,cabinets, now working on trim .
Hauled up 80% of the material!
Subbed out the HVAC (should have done it ourself, hack job) had help with plumbing & electric. This on top of working 45-50 hrs a week building 50K-60K sq. ft in the same time frame.
125 miles each way to get there, so, Yes, "It's just a Paint Grade Handrail in a Poorly lit stair well!"
I've installed enough hand rail to know.........
IF you make the rail first, you can manuever it into the stairwell from the door. The key is gonna be, like someone else said, to keep the inside end high. Use the volume of that ceiling.
You'll need a helper to keep from dinging the drywall, but you can do it.
Piffen mentioned dowels, so I searched some old threads.
Stan had an interesting way of joining rail.
A bit of a read but there is a discussion on rail techniques.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=22825.167
"Perfect is the enemy of Good." Morrison
I just finished doing one where we prefinished the hand rail(red oak with a clear finish). After the finish dried we cut a scarf joint the was about `16" long on the diagonal. And reglued it while mounted to the brackets. A little sanding and some touch up lacquer. We used 5 pcs, 2" dia hose clamps to squeeze the joint together nice and tight. (The kind you use on radiator hoses)
Looks beautiful and you can barely see the joint, if at all
We cut the joint on the table saw with a sled that ran on the mitre tracks. A diagonal stip was screwed across the path of the blade.