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   dieselpig | Jun 05, 2006 02:38am | #1

   Paul,

   The easiest way to frame something like this is to snap it out, plan view, right on the deck.  Then you can just figure your corner (hip)rafters using rise/run, this will tell you the pitch of the rafter (in 12) and it can be then cut the same as you would a common.   I like to set the 'commons' centered on the wall segments first (before the hips) when framing something like this.  Then bevel the hips to tie-in appropriately.  All the necessary angles and deductions can be taken from your snapped out plan view.  Keeps it simple and keeps your guage set on '12' and you're mind doesn't get boggled with all the deductions necessary to frame a multi-cornered ridgeless roof.

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   Edited 6/4/2006 7:47 pm ET by dieselpig

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   blue_eyed_devil | Jun 05, 2006 02:47am | #2

   Paul, on these types of roofs, I always use the total height and total rise dimensions. I use a common divisor to get the numbers down to something that will fit on my framing square.

   Unlike Diesel, I always set my hips first. The hips have to go all the way to the peak, but the commons dont. So, I generally set my hips first, carving the latter ones into the earlier ones, then follow up with some jacks (commons) that terminate into the hips.

   I've done it both ways and I'll never go back.

   blue

    

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   dieselpig | Jun 05, 2006 02:52am | #3

   Me too and.... me too.View Image

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   blue_eyed_devil | Jun 05, 2006 02:53am | #4

   I'll race ya....

   blue 

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   dieselpig | Jun 05, 2006 02:55am | #5

   LOL...... I know better'n that Blue.  Bet mine's prettier though.View Image

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   blue_eyed_devil | Jun 05, 2006 03:28am | #6

   I don't agree that yours is prettier. Most of the octogons I've done, I'd feel comfortable leaving the entire thing exposed. I don't remember doing a hexagon, but I suspect i'd have good results too.

   The wad at the peak gets too thick for my liking if the commons are done first. I've done them, but I created a built up plug first for the commons to butt into. After that, the hips have to fit up in there too and I just don't see how anyone can get good nailing into all that lumber. Basically, everything is just leaning and there's a few  toenails at the top holding everything together.

   I used to have a good picture of the grouping at the peak but it got lost in a crash.

   I'll take another on the next one I do.

   blue 

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   dieselpig | Jun 05, 2006 03:37am | #7

   I was just playing along with ya Blue.  I'm sure your's look great too, and you bring up a good point of nailing.  'Course when your cuts fit like mine.... who needs nails anyway?  ;)View Image

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   Framer | Jun 05, 2006 04:06am | #8

   Paul,

   Your first thread you asked about a Hexagon. You got all answers and never responded back.

   Your second thread was about a Pentagon and you asked for a dimension with a 54" side and got one with this thread and never looked at the answers to respond.

   http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=74414.22

   Now your asking about a Hexagon again. What's going on here? Have you made up your mind yet? How many different threads are you going to start before you make up your mind? If you want help, you have to read the threads the YOU start and then answer the people who are helping you.

   Joe Carola
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   PaulGC | Jun 05, 2006 11:43am | #9

   Easy there Joe. First of all I was way too busy last week to get enough time to actually respond to the responses I received. Second, the person I'm doing the job for changes their mind on the number of sides, too much. Third, I could never get the names of all the multi-sided objects straight. anyways, the person I'm doing the job for has finally decided on a six sided structure.

   Are you satisfied?

    

   Paul

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   JoeBartok | Jun 05, 2006 04:52pm | #10

   Enter pitch, pitch and the plan angle at the eaves (120° for your hexagon) and the common rafter span (2 × Common Run) in this Framing Angle Calculator.

   The structures I have solved to date had backed hips meeting at the center.

   EDIT: The "Unit Run" for the Hip rafters is 13-7/8".

    

   Joe Bartok

   Edited 6/5/2006 9:54 am ET by JoeBartok

   Edited 6/5/2006 2:23 pm ET by JoeBartok

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   PaulGC | Jun 06, 2006 02:49am | #12

   Thank you kindly Joe Bartok for that website, it's pretty neat I must say. Wish I had known about it before. I'm certainly gonna pass that web address onto other people I know who do carpentry. Unfortunately tonight I do not have a lot of time to stay online so I'm gonna spend some more time on that website later this week.

    

   Paul

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   Framer | Jun 06, 2006 02:00am | #11

   ""Easy there Joe. First of all I was way too busy last week to get enough time to actually respond to the responses I received.""I figured since you had enough time to post a Pentagon thread after your first Hexagon thread and not responding to anyone. I thought that you had enough time to respond."""Third, I could never get the names of all the multi-sided objects straight. anyways, the person I'm doing the job for has finally decided on a six sided structure."""Here, print this out for the next time you can't think of the names.http://www.gomath.com/htdocs/ToGoSheet/Geometry/polygon_name.html""Are you satisfied?""Are YOU satisfied with all the answers everyone has given you?Joe Carola

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   PaulGC | Jun 06, 2006 02:54am | #13

   thanks Framer for that web link to the names of all those polygons. God I didn't know there were 80 & 90 sided objects. Even larger numbered polygons-wow.

    

   P.S. Like the ole saying goes-"if you don't use it you'll lose it". That's why I can never remember the names of polygons. I haven't used those object names in years so I've pretty much forgotten the names. I now have a list of all the names. Thanks once again.

    

   Thanks kindly

   Paul

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   Framer | Jun 08, 2006 02:14am | #14

   Any time Paul.When you start this project post some pictures and we can get you going with the rafters if you have any problems.Joe Carola

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   PaulGC | Jun 08, 2006 02:41am | #15

   Well Framer, I'd love to but I don't have a digital camera to take the pictures off unto my computer.

    

   Paul

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   Sphere | Jun 08, 2006 03:10am | #16

   Kodak has some awesome new ones that come with a printer dock and all the goodies for just under 300.00$

   I snagged one a few months back just for the work van, my other one ( a much more exp.Sony) stays w/the wife now, no more tug o'war.

   As the prices come down...ya really ougtta think about it. Great for the job. We can climb a roof for a customer, take a B4 pic of say a leaking cricket, fix it..take an after pic, print both out, give to the Mrs. Homeowner to show Hubby. Great for them and us. Being as Hubby probly wouldn't/ couldn't get there to see what we did.

   Just nudging ya if yer on the fence.

   Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

   There is no cure for stupid. R. White.

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   PaulGC | Jun 08, 2006 03:45am | #17

   I can't believe you "let" your wife have the Sony camera. sony man Sony-it's top of the line. Just a little humour for ya.

    

   Paul

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   Framer | Jun 08, 2006 03:53am | #18

   Paul.If you ever want to take pictures of a job you can use the Kodak deposable cameras. They work great. They give you a CD with the pictures. You can do anything you want with the pictures as far as editing and then post them here. I've done it many times before I bought my digital and I have all the CD's that I can use any time.

   http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=9/1026&pq-locale=en_USJoe Carola