They refer to the smaller guage and shorter nails here as cheaters. Our code calls for a full length 3 1/4″ inch nail and you can find them to fit your gun. Codes vary so check around.
My Dad was an old hand nailer kinda guy. He called his nails cheaters as well. He would take a box of 16d common hand drives and soak them with a solution of pariffin wax and gasoline. Made them slick and quick to drive. I don’t think those would have been code either
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The IRC and the IBC 2006 allow gun nails. Your local adoptions of the codes or amendments may ban them. None that I've seen calls for extra gun nails but I've not seen it all.
There is a code specifying a round head and not clipped, I believe.
I've heard that but not seen it any code that I've seen so far, not that I've seen it all.
Kind of odd that the IRC 2006 (unedited, unaltered for local situations) will tolerate staples and ban clipped heads. I do believe there are regions that ban them but not as it written in the IRC as I've seen. Somebody care to point code ref to show the error in my ways?
I like to leave mine in a 5 gallon pail to rust up some so they have a better resistance to pull out.
It may just be anecdotal but I think gun nails are harder to pull out than hammer driven nails. My suspicion is you get less wood fiber damage with a nail that goes in with one quick shot instead of several hits with a hammer, that may not be exactly straight.
My comment pertained to greasing up hand nails from the post I responded to.
Ya Dad didn't care about pull out. He just wanted them to go in fast since they were paid by the foot for the homes they framed.
I bet I could pull any one of those nails out with a fork. This way if a tornado comes by they'll be no debri in the yard.
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I'll take a hand drive job over a gun job any day. Most higher end jobs here (GA) are all hand driven. Production tract, limeted life, disposable homes are gunned.
Ask Larry Haun about coating nails. He also coated his own.
http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/how-to/articles/reflecting-on-one-carpenters-life.aspx?
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
I had to explain to them that most nails
in a framed wall hold in shear and not in tension. Larry
My point, tension was not there better strength.
<<<I'll take a hand drive job over a gun job any day. Most higher end jobs here (GA) are all hand driven>>>
You have been brainwashed. We have framed all houses for years with gun nails. In fact we use more nails when we shoot with guns than whan we hand nailed.
I suggest you have been lead down this path by a contractor, that is trying to make himself different.
I aggree with nailguns. Have been using air for over 25 years. I was saying that some high end builders here want the framing and sheathing hand driven. Most sheathing is overdriven using guns. They have no problem with nail guns for the cornice.I use a 15g and 16g for trim. Also my pinner.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Most sheathing is overdriven using guns. >>>
The problem isn't the guns, it is the fools that overdrive them. Why not staple the sheet goods?
>> I think gun nails are harder to pull out than hammer driven nails. My suspicion is you get less wood fiber damage with a nail that goes in with one quick shot....<<
I think you are right but that the reason is the heat actuated cement on the gun nails.
Jim Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
so why'd you delete your original question?
that's not exactly cool to do. if you're going to post a question, share it with everyone and leave it stand or don't ask/post the question.