I was looking at a house in Egg Harbor twp., New Jersey that is in a housing development under construction. They are done with the framing, sheathing, & roof is shingled. the rough plumbing seems to be in progress.
There is no exterior house wrap, windows, doors,
The jacuzzi tub is installed? Is this common this early in the phase?
Also, the structural framing in load bearing walls appeared to have 3 to 4 finger joints in many of the pieces, there was a lot of “patchwork in the interior framing……
Is this acceptable for new homes? I just don’t understand the “finger-jointed lumber used in framing? It seems like that would be more labor intensive to make versus “one solid piece of lumber”
Does this “fly” with the guidelines for new home rough framing guideline inspections / requirements?
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tubs is part of the plumbing rough in. Matter odf fact, we usually can't finish last couple studs 'till it is set. Sometimes plumbers sawzall opennings bigger just to get it in if nobody thinks ahead.
FJ?
You mean factory made or somebody on site made the sticks marry up?
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i think a beaver chewed on the ends & then the rent a workers for the day twisted em together with some "tobacco chew saliva" for the adhesive
everything has a "natural order" it may seem early for a tub to be set at the stage you are seeing... and it'd prob be better for the tubs surface to be installed last... but... hard to fit a 72" monster tub in after the drywall... natural order usually is Frame, plumb, electric, hvac, drywall, .... may times things cross and "that just can't go there" happens... good framers can save you more than the best plans, guys who know everything has to hang on something and when to move a joist over 2" or the plumber will have at it with a sawzall......
I'll spend a ton of time just looking and try'n to see 4 steps ahead... but then it's my dime and it's just stupid to be pay'n a plumber to swing a hammer... or see'n the drywall guys leave a board tail hang'n because there was no nailer where there should have been one...
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Can't tell from here. Not sure what you mean by "finger joint framing" either. I've seen finger jointed studs before, but "finger joint structural members" could mean anything from posts to beams to headers to jacks to joists to rafters.... you get the idea.
Pics would help.
FWIW, before I throw that last big window in, or stand up the walls around the stairwell... I always ask the builder if he wants to get his tubs in the house. It's a courtesy call, and saves me from putting my frame back together again after an eager plumber's apprentice comes through with a sawzall.
We make finger jointed lumber from the cutoffs from the truss manufacturing preoceess. A lot of that lumber is sold as studs.
I don't see anything wrong with it, although I think they look funny.
do fingerjointed studs sacrifice the integral strength of lateral force from severe storms(hurricanes / tornadoes / earthquakes)?
do ya think they would fly with the rebuilding "down in new orleans"?
recycling is all fine & dandy, but fj studs i think is pushing the limit.
"do fingerjointed studs sacrifice the integral strength of lateral force from severe storms"
We've had our joints tested for tension and bending, but I don't have the results handy. I don't know why it would be a problem though.
But we're not in a hurricane or siesmic zone, so it's not really an issue.
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Boss, what kind of contraption do you have for making those studs?
How much do you get for them? What's it cost to make them?
Do you make them to get rid of scrap or to make money?
How many do you produce?
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"what kind of contraption do you have for making those studs?"
I've only seen it once - It's down at the main plant about an hour from here.
It looks a bit like a sawmill - Kind of a long thing. Don't really know how to describe it beyond that.
"How much do you get for them?"
Last time I checked a 92 5/8" stud was about $2. But it's been a while, and I may not remember right.
"What's it cost to make them?"
The cost is mostly labor, plus the glue and overhead. I don't know exact figures.
"Do you make them to get rid of scrap or to make money?"
Both. Hauling away scap cost a lot of money. At our plant we generate a 28' dump trailer full of scrap once a week when we're busy. It costs about $400 to dump one of those.
"How many do you produce?"
Since the cost of the FJ lumber is mostly labor, they don't change it as the cost of lumber fluctuates. So when lumber prices are low they shut the line down, as no one wants them. And when lumber prices go up we can't make enough.
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Boss....on the subject of tubs .....your boom truck sure saves a lot of time lifting tub units,etc to second level baths before we start trusses. have used truck to lift 2story chimney's that were prefabed on the ground, into position. I have put together small hip sets on the ground and the truck saves a bunch of time lifting them .( thought about sheeting and shingleing hip sets , but didn't want to push my luck) If any of this work is prohibited by your company rules ,please disregard all above comments for we adhere religously to your company guide lines........ :)....have an uplifting day.
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Generally studs are in compression and only there to attach wall covering (load bearing walls excluded). As far as I know they (FJ) are code and acceptable. Not sure they are for structural use, jacks, etc. Sounds like a good stewardship of resources to me.
You might try to take one of these oversize tubs (or even a standard one piece tub/shower) up stairs at a later stage of building. There are many reasons for some of the things you are concerned about. Without knowing all the circumstances it would be hard to say. Around here the bad guys would steal your sawsall and cut a way to get the tub out somenight.
thank you for your feedback. Now i can definitely see that a jacuzzi onsite early is actually the result of good foresight.
It's easier to get big tubs in before the studs are up. We had to put one that was nine feet in diameter in a basememnt once and did it after the floor was on--barely fit down the stairs and took about eight of us to wrestle it into place. Had a rope from it to a Bobcat when sliding it down the stairs and almost ended up with the Bobcat following it into the basement!
Thank goodness the basement was just over nine feet tall.