I sell construction supplies in Norcal and have come across some large framing companies that frame with a 12 common drive screw [3 1/4″x .148] as an alternate to a 16 common [3 1/2″x .162] can anyone tell me where I would find information on this as approved alternate . If shear strength is what engineers are looking for how could a .148 equal a .162 ? Thanks Randy
Edited 3/18/2006 3:19 am ET by shaft
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Screw? Your post mentions 12d screw?
Is this a joke? ;-)
Maybe check with that CRX fanatic?
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
Edited 3/19/2006 10:21 pm ET by philarenewal
lol
must be late...
that question doesn't make enough sense unless you are refering to a spiral nail..
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drive screw , screw shank , spiral shank , deformed shank , what ever you want to call them ,
I'm too lazy to dig out the code book at this hour but if you look under "structural design considerations" there will be a nailing schedule that lays it all out. Even if I had the energy, your codebook would likely be different from mine. I don't know the answer to your question off the of my head or I'd give it a go.
PS: Only place I'd use a 12d spiral shank is for something I really, really, never wanted coming apart and for that I'd use a ring shank. Maybe there's some concern where you are about uplift. I'm sure you know this, but the shank style doesn't affect shear strength.
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
Edited 3/19/2006 10:58 pm ET by philarenewal
Ring shank??????Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
UMERC, believe it or not, there is such a thing as a spiral shank nail. Somewhere along the line, I read that the withdrawl resistance of a ring shank exceeded the spiral shank. For sheathing and decking, I use ring shank.
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
I know there is a such thing as a spirial shank...
pounded more than my share...
it's also called a pallet nail...
buy them as pallet nails and you gun them...
clipped head or FRH...
strip or coil....
just asking the salesman for clarification....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Imerc, I've pounded a few thousand pounds of pallet nails too in my younger days! 8d screw shanked, blunt tipped. They went in hard taking three good whacks...unless we had frozen yellow pine joist...then they needed a good solid fifth whack to sink it.
The foreman would drag his square across the floor and if he heard a "ting", someone was buying the beer!
blue
Full round head , strip gun nail 22 deg. for a Hitachi NR83a2 . Here in Northern Ca. ring shank and drive screws are both used for sub floor nailing in either a 10 short common [ 2 1/4" x .148 ] or a 8 common [ 2 1/2" x .131 ] depending on what is specked .
Have a peek at your state/local code book and talk to some local building inspectors. BT is a great resource of information but I don't think you care about requirements in New Zealand or the many other localities represented here?
BTW those are some awfully thick shanks you are talking about. I've never seen screw shank gun nails that thick. My Bostich won't even fire a .162 nail and I'm pretty sure a Hitachi nailer won't either. Definitely no .131 8s available around here either, and what we call 8s are actually 2 3/8" long.
And as others said, spiral or screw shank nails are not commonly used around here for framing. HD Gal Spiral deck nails are available. Ring shank are popular for floor sheathing though.
Here the usual suspects are 3-1/4" x .131 for framing, 2-1/2" x .131. for "shear" nails (nailing on sidewall sheathing), and 2-3/8" x .113 ring shanks for nailing down subfloor and roof deck. You also need a handful of 2-1/2" x .131 HDG for nailing the bottom edge of the sheathing to the mudsill.
I have not seen spiral shank gun nails but they might exist. The hand-drive siding nails I like are spiral shanks, and they're miserable to pull out.
You can get some 3-1/2" framing nails, but I don't think my guns will shoot them.
and to thicken the plot...
the Senco SN4 framer will shoot a 4" 20d...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Sounds like NC/WA nailing customs are pretty similar except the sidewall sheer nailing. Not sure what they do here on the NC coast. May well use the .131 eights for all I know. Like I said, they don't sell .131 x 2 1/2 nails around here - or at least not that I've seen.
OK - now you got me interested so I dragged my tired a$$ out to my truck to get my code book. Looks like even on the coast the nail size requirements are the same, although the nailing schedule is increased. Also, I'm seeing that 6d nails are OK for 1/2" wall sheathing! They don't commonly sell sixes around here either. BTW we use IRC 2000 and I'm looking at table R602.3(1)
BTW, I am inland somewhat, 100 MPH rated area, so we don't take direct hits from hurricanes, toranadoes happen once every third blue moon, and I've never heard of an earthquake in these parts.
spiral 3 1/4 olny galvy, the heads come off befor the nail comes out.
hitachi makes a gun inthe NR83 series, but it dos'nt look like any thing you've ever seen and it has a plastic magizine that constantly jams......
Hitachi and Senco make those screws.
It's an actual screw with a #2 square drive head. I've never used any, I saw them about 18 months ago at the supply house. Pricey at about $90 per thousand.
Unsure of the shank size-- but will fit most full head 22 degree guns. I thought they were flooring and sheathing only...... also thought crxpaul had a picture of some in one of his posts.
into the 1 by subflooring that was laid diagonal to the joists or the 1 by demensional for the roof deck...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
googled and still not sure exactly what a drive screw is unless its area slang...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I sell construction supplies in Norcal and have come across some large framing companies that frame with a 12 common drive screw [3 1/4"x .148] as an alternate to a 16 common [3 1/2"x .162] can anyone tell me where I would find information on this as approved alternate . If shear strength is what engineers are looking for how could a .148 equal a .162 ?
found this..
http://www.airking.com/index.php?storeid=1&template=category_nails&category=Nailers+%26+Nails&subcategory=Strip+Nails
as for approved application that would be your AGA....
don't think shear is at issue here...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
BTW... what does the U in my acronym stand for????
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Edited 3/20/2006 12:12 am by IMERC
>>BTW... what does the U in my acronym stand for????
What does MERC in your acronym stand for? ;-)
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
The I stands for Induustrial....
what atr you usinf the U for...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
The I stands for Induustrial....
what atr you usinf the U for...
Round these parts, merc stands for mercenary. Since you seem to be buds with a guy named "Gunner," well . . . . My mistake. 1000 pardons please. ;-)
BTW, what does MERC stand for?
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
Mercenary...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
so what were you using the U for..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
>>so what were you using the U for..
"MERC" stand for mercenary. "I" stands for I. "U" stands for you. I don't but thought maybe you did. If an armed conflict does not involve the US, I think it's actually legal. ;-)
Maybe I been watching too many "Aanold" movies lately.
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
Edited 3/20/2006 12:10 pm ET by philarenewal
no tellin' where yur thought process is....
IMERC is an acronym for Industrial MERCenary... gots nothing to do with gun totin'...
you've been here long enough to have caught all of this...
have tools will travel...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
>>"no tellin' where yur thought process is...."
Yeah, too many AAnold movies.
Not too far from where I live it can get pretty violent, so I'm accustomed to the idea of gun tote'n.
One bizarre example, few days ago, couple kids (18yo and 16yo) got into a gunfight with cops a few blocks away from where I live. One kid was killed, other took one in the face and cop got one in the thigh. It's actually a pretty nice neighborhood. We're talking highschool kids; our city's future -- uh oh. War zone or residential neighborhood. Tough call.
Anyway, off in the weeds here.
Time to get back to work.
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
such is life in the big city.....
you can have it... enjoy....
beautiful winter storm today...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Well then, 10,000 pardons please. BTW, my profile is wrong; I actually live in Texas, er no Rhode Island, no wait Michigan or is it Canada, uh, and no reason to track me down, no sir . . . . ;-)
"A job well done is its own reward. Now would you prefer to make the final payment by cash, check or Master Card?"
WTB those framers he's talking about are using 3" pallet nails...
cost cutting at work....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Everyone around here uses 12d. It's funny that some boxes call them 16d short. If you go to any lumber yard and ask for 16d gun nails they hand you 12d.
Ditto what everyone says about codes. The code book used in your area will be very specific about what is allowed.